Any news on the new time system for non exempt employees?
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@3e2 My understanding is that a certain someone high up in manufacturing said that attrition rates weren't high enough and that we needed to make it so more people would want to leave. I'm assuming taking time away from breaks is part of that effort to make conditions worse to encourage people to quit.
@3j9 they literally said our breaks will be shorter in the meeting by 15. So, if that’s not the true case then there needs to be better communication
@3e2 No one is actively taking time from breaks. You're just taking longer breaks than you're supposed to be taking as it is and now it's being tracked.
@2xs what most are turned up about is them taking time from our breaks! There was no need for them to take break time from us
not sure why this is so controversial. I don't know if people realize, but this is commonplace in almost every company and has been for decades.
Not to rain on anyone's parade here but the concept of tracking breaks and lunches is not new, MFAB up in Maine has been doing it for years. Operators, Techs, and every other non exempt has to log in and out of breaks in their 'DUI' system.
Not sure what 1st shifter you all are arguing about, but if she's saying she came up with a lot of this she's full of it. Dollars to donuts they are mostly copying the MFAB system in the name of standardization.
And yes, it does su-k to keep track of and yes they do like to beat the sh-t out of people they don't like in MFAB over their break times. As supervisors we were expected to question everyone walking the halls, and would have to go look them up to see if they were signed out on break. Especially painful for Equipment Techs that sometimes have work to do outside of the fab. The part about people that abuse the system is true, you do have some bad actors. Also true that they will go look at people they have grudges against and nitpick them over an overage of a minute or two.
If badges don’t matter then F&O should get to be fully remote…
@1za ok first shifter lady who helped do this
People seem to think this is to reign in slackers and track breaks. Sure every company has a few bad eggs but management will realize that the vast majority were under reporting time in and time out. We are hard workers, we have several people who skip breaks or cut their lunches short. Even more people who come in early and leave late and never put it on their time sheet. This new “upgrade” will backfire when they see all the unaccounted time now get automatically tracked and increase costs and impact their bottom line. Never underestimate how hard NEs work.
@OP Purpose of new time system is to destroy dreams 😭😔
The only reason anyone has to complain about the new time system is if they're breaking the rules. People like you are literally why a new time system is being implemented.
@1t4 That's my question as well. What fab supposedly started this? I mean what's the point of taking time from our breaks? Fine we have to check in and out, that's annoying and you should treat all employees hourly or not the same but do tell me why take from our break. time itself? This makes no sense and there is no logical reason for it. Unless, you're trying to force a mass quit because they are being watched now with the number of layoffs and this is there way to really get down to the numbers they want without more layoffs. I mean if we put it all into prospective; we had layoffs (several times), then we had goals moved, then they changed our bonus and etc and other structures that mean less funds, now this. With this treatment and behavior but more importantly the timing is back to back there is no way they'd think workers will stick around like this.
@OP please tell us what fab are we following to sync to? Way to feed us some bull. You know we all talk right? Most of us all know someone in another fab across the country! If you’re going to feed us bull at least bs us a better than that
@OP so, what are we a sweat shop now?
@OP What did we expect? They've been showing us more and more how they feel about their employees. I am surprised that the first shifter expected the employees to keep her secret while she told people she worked on it. You think the way you treat us and the hostile environment you create we're going to look out for you? No, we are going to look out for each other until you show us you respect the other people around you. Other employees are going to remember she did this, when no one wants to work for you, listen to you, remember this is why. It started before this but this made it way worse. You've never treated people well. It may surprise others but believe me it does not surprise us who worked with you when you started. We got to see your true colors then.
@OP So, tired of this company always treating their people like cr-p. Its one thing after another.
@OP That was cute she said go get a college degree. How do you know someone has been pampered their whole life, their family paid for everything for them. Then has the audacity to tell others to go to school. Not all of us are raised like that. Some of us have to work for stuff ourselves. Some come from broken families, some from poor communities and are working hourly so they can put THEMSELVES through school but there you are again showing your true color. This is why no one wants to work for you. You cannot help yourself to get on here and try to tell hard working people they are smaller than you, and remind them that your family paid your way. Why don't you just be grateful for your opportunities but leave others alone. You cannot because at heart like you did with this new roll out you're a bully.
@OP In case outsiders of TI are keeping track. First they changed out goals to mess with our bonus structure, then the numerous layoffs, now they are cutting our break times. A lot of people might think reading this we're all upset about clocking in and out. Well, that's not all of it. Don't be fooled by the way they are making it sound. Then if we speak out the first shifter they are all talking about chases people around asking "Who's saying this, who's writing this". So, its to the point were people hate to put her tools on there in the whiteboard because how she will respond, does that not sound like a hostile work environment? This is what TI has become and if you're wondering about the others saying kids are in charge its because what did TI expect when they put people with NO management experience in charge. You took kids directly from college with college caddy behaviors who create hostile environments. Is this the kind of place new people want to work?
@1ps Girl sit down, please sit this one out. We are so tired of you trolling on here chasing down people who don't agree with you all the time. You're mad because you went around so proud saying look what I got to be a part of. Yeah, look we see what you did, thanks for that. Now, that people don't agree you're all oh you guys we work so hard. We've seen you leave to go get coffee not on breaks lol you think we don't notice? If I do that I am gonna hear about it. Oh go get you a college degree you say. Well, not all of us can afford that stuff but you cannot help yourself. Look at me look at me all the time we get it you need to validated. Why don't you let us little people that are underneath you apparently talk to each other and sit this one out. After all its our lives you just played with proudly.
@OP Yes! Why did she do this. She could not wait to be like I got to be a part of this. I got to help roll this out and put input. We knew then it couldn't be good. Everyone already knew she has never truly cared about one person at the fab but remember guys this is the same person who told her own counterpart in front of people to F off! So, why should we expect anything else? The amount of sheer disrespect with everyone she approaches. This kid needs some people classes, how to talk to people appropriately. I hope TI knows what they've done. I hope this highlights why it's so important to not put people into management without management experience. Someone not hourly has no business getting their hands in us hourly peoples way of life if you've never been hourly or managed before. Please pull this girl before everything about TI is ruined.
@1ps oh we all know what first shifts this is lol. The one who had her hands all over this and bragged all about it. Assisted rolling out yet cannot manage the 3 people she has (that’s always rotating by the way because no one can stand to be under her). Yet, they let this kid with no management skills dip her hands on stuff that would affect all of us! This kid leaves when we and is out the door by 3 lol. She cannot communicate her way out of a box! Inspite of reading no one cares for her still floats about saying everyone loves me! She’s rude, lacks real management skills, does not care about anyone but herself! ! ! Does not care about ruining quality of work and life balance but her own! One of the most undeserving to be on anything that effects others jobs! So, not surprised she was so excited to tell everyone she got to be a part of this! Dear TI when we all quit after the layoffs and this sure hope you give her all that credit she wants
@1ps way to be a jackalope. SNEs are the backbone keeping the company running, especially in manufacturing and SG&A.
@1ps .... so on the mark. Over 3 and a half decades as exempt...retired on my own terms. Way too many weekends and vacations were interrupted by TI. Missed many birthdays and school events due to the need to be on the road for the company. Not complaining, just confirming your description. In the end I can't complain...got out on own terms....very financially stable due to TI, wife didn't leave me and my kids as adults now still talk to me and the best part is that despite the job's downsides it was so much better than working on commission at the cell phone store or one of those auto dealers along hwy 75.
Some advise for ya.. worry about yourself and your job performance not anyone else. Time to mature in your role at TI and stop complaining.
@s2 always seems like the folks that do all the complaining are the guilty ones and now they cannot continue doing what they have been used to for years on end. You fail to remember that Exempt employees work on their nights off/ scheduled vacay and sick days also weekends to pick up the pieces the hourly folks cannot accomplish. If you would like to have that role then obtain the necessary skills and college education and apply then you too can work endless hours and listen all of the hourly complainers. SMH
@s2 I think we all know what prompted the change but the sad part is those who are not hourly will still abuse the system. So, what’s the point if it doesn’t stop all abuse
@19n there currently isn't automatic sign off. Managers/Supervisors always had to log in and review time cards.
I hear that if something happens and your supervisor doesn’t sign off your time sheet on time you don’t get your paycheck on time. No automated signoff as a failsafe?
@10w a manager of remote NEs told me the same thing and will likely affect efficiency. There are plenty of NEs that aren't tied to manufacturing/test/production lines.
@xf shock might have been too strong a word but they will be disgruntled for sure. The break and lunch times will be at the heart of it. This will definitely be a mindset change.
@wy Are they expecting NE to track breaks? I'm sure this won't deter bad actors. I agree, bad timing on the rollout of the new system regarding the survey.
@wy - why do you say "The changes we’ve reviewed will be a shock to the NE population."
The claim is that the old Time system is antiquated and that we needed to use the same system others do globally.
The changes we’ve reviewed will be a shock to the NE population.
But we are certain that they will find loopholes around it somehow. What is funny and a bit ironic is that the Pulse survey is coming out at the same time. I have a feeling that the responses won’t be very favorable this go around.
Managers are getting training on the new time system this week. It will roll out to the general population next week. The system goes live Nov. 1st. Looks like non exempt will clock in/out, exempt won't. We'll find out if that's true soon enough! I'm curious what brought on the change and how people feel about it. We've been a culture of "trust" as far as time is concerned for so long. What prompted the change?