Found out yesterday that I got reassigned to a new location - from a 25 minute commute to a 2.5 hour commute. Been with the company for 23 years. I have until Sept 2020 to show up there every day.
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Since forced back in the office after 11 years:
1 hour commute
1 hour coffee collaboration
1 hour work😆
1 hour stretch collaboration
1 hour lunch collaboration
1 hour work 😆
1 hour collaboration
1 hour stress decomposing
1 hour contemplating my commute
Paycheck!!
I say F'em. Do the commute. Work 2-3 hours and go home (you don't swipe out after all; only in). Stay until they lay you off (with severance). They wanna play dirty? Play dirty.
Moving your family 100 miles away with no guarantee of continued employment. How much deeper can ATO turn the screws?
The job is moving away and employees are not expected to move with it. Lol other ATO are being asked to move to a different state by 9/2020, if u dont, then u wont have a job. You either quit, or they fire you for not reporting to an assigned location.
Only an ash hole would come up with this c.r.a.p. such a hostile work environment. Evil to the core. I will never ever use any of T's product nor recommend it anyone.
This is an old trick from the Western Electric days. They told all their installers if they want to keep their job they had to move to New York City. Those that said no were terminated. Those that stayed and moved to keep their position were surplussed less than 6 months after relocating. Dirty business practice for sure
“Your employer CAN impose any conditions on your employment that it sees fit, so long as those conditions aren't unlawful. And it breaks no law to require a horrific commute.”
Who here was stating they were doing anything illegal? We are questioning the true motive is all. They are stating it’s in the interest of collaboration, but in many cases that does not make any sense. Like mine where I’m to report 100 miles away to a location no one in my workgroup is located. I could stay in my current location where no one is located and “collaborate” just as much. It is not possible to locate my workgroup centrally as we are all based all over the country. The team was assembled that way on purpose over the years. Thanks for pointing it out, but I believe all are aware the company can request that you report anywhere. It just doesn’t jibe with what they are saying.
Pretty much, with a slight clarification. There are ATO folks in my current location, though they are not under the same VP as I am. This will be the same case in my new assigned location. So in this situation why assign a location 100 miles away other than to force people out ?
Arguably, an AGILE software dev/support team ought to be colocated but in a dedicated space not in collaboration zone mosh pit. Not many project teams make a lot a sense for global infrastructure operations. The online and real time document sharing and voice/video tools make project colocation obsolete and less effective.
Your employer CAN impose any conditions on your employment that it sees fit, so long as those conditions aren't unlawful. And it breaks no law to require a horrific commute.
So you're currently sitting in an office that's within 50 miles of your house with other people in your organization and being asked to move to a different location more than 50 miles from your house where no one in your group reports and they aren't going to move there either? WTF!
She ain't ma bell anymore. It's there thing!
For clarification....ATO managers are having one on one meetings with management employees where they are sharing the output of "Project Collaboration"...which for some will be a new reporting location. If the new reporting location is over 50 miles from your residence, you have until Sept 2020 to begin reporting there. If it is inside of 50 miles, you must start reporting there this year. Many (including myself) who were already full time office, are being assigned new locations in other states and or 100 miles or more away...in some cases leaving behind other ATO personnel in their current office to go to one where they have no one in their workgroup. The "collaboration" angle is a complete joke.
only something pure evil would plan c-ap like this
The big question here is: in the event the employee is not willing or able to commute more than 50 miles to the new location next year, how is that handled? Are they laid off with severance? Are they classified as resigning or terminated with no severance? There is no official answer to this as of yet,
OP I’m almost in exactly the same boat with 25 years service. I figure not a lot of thought has been put into this at this point, things could change between now and then. We shall see.
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Are they saying beginning 9/2020, you must show up to the new location but until then you can remain? If so, just hang tight. Who knows what could happen in a year. Leadership will eventually change and most likely, so will this crazy requirement. This threat is being used to get people to quit instead of paying a severance. Unfortunately, current management enjoys putting some fear into the job. And who even knows who will have a job in 2020?
I found this online ...
If your employment is at-will, which it probably is, then yes. Your employer can impose any conditions on your employment that it sees fit, so long as those conditions aren't unlawful. And it breaks no law to require a horrific commute.
If you were in a union, you could consult with your union rep to determine if this condition violates the union contract. If you had an employment contract, you could consult it to determine if it precluded such a commute. In the absence of either, you are probably an at-will employee, and the commute is not illegal.
Make the most of the commute. Get Sirius Xm and Listen to Howard Stern or your favorite music or whatever. Enjoy the peace and solitude in the drive. It’s 2.5 hours of being left alone hopefully.
OP please clarify, you have to commute 2.5 hours from now until 9/2020 - what happens after that date? You don’t have a job or you can go back to your original location?
Or your 2.5 hour commute starts 9/2020?
Are you in ATO?
Dude, you have a year+ grace period. Live it up! Life is good. Stuff like this can be motivating.
I agree you need to get out. A lot can change in the next year but I think you’re better off just moving on unless the 15 months gets you some financial/benefit gain by staying. Honestly I doubt your job will last another 15 months. Good luck to all in this horrible environment.
That is how they try to get you to quit........... plan on leaving the company soon. They don't want you there. Brutal truth!
Take the time to find another job, thats what they want you to do anyway.
Come 9/2020 you could just not show up and let them terminate you. No severance i am sure, but probably get unemployment.