Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

If the language in you appendix states “needs of the business” and the union agreed to that language as it pertains to force reductions you pretty much are up sh--ts creek without a paddle

El Centro was hit already a year and a half ago. No other prems were hit then. No one complained then. S--- it up!

If you're core CWA has your back

Prem, not so much, days are numbered.

Historically the company would declare surpluses by department, title and location. That’s where they want the reduction. After that the union creates a list of all those with that title by seniority. The highest surplus bumps the lowest and so on. This has been a long running method by contract. Problem is prem tech is under their own contract so what you hear from core techs doesn’t apply. AT&T created a mess with the prem tech experiment. Unfortunately good people will lose their job. This is exactly the reason a single united union contract is needed. I clearly remember the presentation to the membership about the addition of term employees called premise technician. With employment of at least one year and no more than three years in order to accommodate a new video service installation. They were responsible for work from the nid into the house. You see how all this has changed? The people running this company are a lot smarter than the average guy. They know exactly what they’re doing...

@YU4Urvb-mpu “keep payong duesMorrooons”

It’s CA. They have no choice. They could quit the union but dues for administrative and union operations can still be collected.

Over 50% of managers will be surplused soon. They’re not needed anymore. Technology advanced and managers didn’t.

why do you guys think the union can protect you from the advancement of technology ? there is nothing they can do. why do you all see such a problem with just doing the whole area by inverse seniority instead of garage based ? that is going by true seniority. and like i said, if your seniority is low enough for you to be laid off right now, you dont have a future with this company anyway....not as a technician at least. it is what it is.....

I just want to add to the grievance comment that a grievance can be filed if in any way, the grievant is being treated "unfairly". So, all that really needs to be said is this selective pooling of locations is causing employees to be treated "unfairly" because it is being done to circumvent seniority and results in junior employees being protected while more senior employees are laid off.

I'd have the grievance ready to submit the moment that this pooling arrangement is case in cement,

Job #1 of a union is to see to it everyone is treated "fairly". That's why, however imperfect, working in a union environment is better than without, because then, there is no obligation for the employer to treat employees fairly.

I don’t believe the post is a complaint. It is meant for those prem techs impacted to seek compensation for their union causing their lay-off instead of protecting their jobs.

Core techs are next. Once AT&T removes the job security language next year, they are gone.

I thank the person who posted this. The union misrepresented their members, and so they should be held responsible.

i hate to say this, but if you are complaining you must not be paying attention to where the company is headed. this is going to continue to happen no matter how they decide to layoff. if you were hired after 2014 your days are numbered. I mean pretty much all techs days are numbered, but even more so for those that low in seniority. if a different agreement wouldve saved you for this round, then you are gone in the next one. and this is not a secret. dont pretend to be blindsided by this. hopefully you those affected have been smart and been using tuition reimbursement to prepare them to get a good job after being surplussed. it s---s, but this is just where the technology is headed. (no techs needed)

Hit the union in the pocket, become a conscientious objector..

Per CWA’s own web site “Those non-member agency fee payers with conscientious religious objections to financially supporting a labor organization may arrange to make charitable contributions equal in amount to Union dues ”

At this point i rather have my money be squandered by another organization who isn’t screwing me over.

Here in the Knox market Dtv got hit and it went by garage not as a whole. They targeted both legacy ip and Dtv. Also Dtv is still very busy and we’re almost a week out in Knoxville market.....we’ve begged for fiber training but haven’t received it yet...

My question would be is how the Prem techs compare to the DTV techs as far as overall cost. At one time the Prem techs were being trained to take over the DTV work. They were doing a lot of hiring for that title. Then I heard the DTV techs had a pretty ironclad agreement that stopped that. No idea of the timeframe of that agreement. Now it seems that the company is getting out of the Uverse business and slowly filtering that work to the Core techs who by contract have the ability to do what is considered lower grades of work. They also have seniority over the Prem techs and seniority is the holy grail for the Union. Huber seems to be winning the battle. Doing some C.O.work, Prem work, being equipped to handle some of the smaller fiber repair. Fiber and wireless is slowly encroaching on the SS’s work especially if they can get 5G up and running. Looks like Core will be last man standing by virtue of them being everywhere, other than the very specialized work.

You guys are making huge changes with this hard hitting investigation info on Lay-off dot com.

Prem techs sad they got laid off because of low seniority blaming whomever they can because they shoulda jumped 30 guys at a dtv yard. Hilarious. If you’re that low on the seniority list you would of got hit in 3 months anyway.

Prem techs with low seniority have been given plenty notice of where this ship is going and if you’re on a troll website crying about super doooper secret agreements being the reason you’re no longer employed by a company that has been telling you layoffs are coming for years......that’s your own fault

Stop blaming everyone else and look in the mirror....

Thank you for posting. I am one of those impacted. It s---s to read that my job could have been saved if this agreement had not been made.

keep payong duesMorrooons

CWA = Company Stooges

CWA will claim to have saved jobs

Wasting your time....run for the hills from At&t and CWA if your a prem tech....

NLRB complaints can be filed against the Union. They owe the duty of representation. So, if they're not enforcing the contract to someone's detriment, they can be sued, but before they're sued, it's likely that all administrative avenues be pursued.

The first step is to file a grievance if "The PT yard in El Centro was excluded from the seniority list. The union agreed to exclude this yard." violates terminology in the contract. There is also the standby of "disparity of treatment" if El Centro was excluded and Midway wasn't, assuming that they're in the same geographic area.

I haven't read the contract, so I don't know if there is a case here. But, in order to sue the Union, there should be a grievance filed first, because if they don't handle the grievance in good faith, then they violated the duty of representation, and that is actionable. The union has to explain why the approach they agreed to is contractually sound.

Those who sit on their rights lose them.