He's still Shelton from the block. Used to have a little now he has alot.
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me too
I suspect @5ape had a hidden agenda in that silly post, that of provocateur, but the rank and file didn't fall for it.
Nice try troll (and poser).
The old-outsider-pretending-to-be-someone-in-order-to-divide-and-conquer-trick, Chief.
Missed it by that much!
4Djn, that’s because Lonnie runs a competent and wise Union. CWA could learn a lot from IBEW, and maybe if Shelton didn’t forget where he came from, there’d be some more reasonable fear of Labor.
CWA, you’d do better to have a Lonnie in your corner. Shelton just wants to have you nip against each other so that nobody can rise up. Look at the AT&T board, that’s why the CWA contracts over there are all a dog and pony show. Wireless, if you want to go Union, make the IBEW stronger. We don’t forget where we came from.
Heared ibew in n.j getting 4 year extension
@3dyj it is never that clear cut there are simply to many variables. A strike is always a last resort. The circumstances at the moment of the negotiations dictate what is possible to gain. We always try to get the best we can. Any issue can theoretically be a strike issue, but in reality are they? One may want double time pay on Sunday for example (something we have already),but the company may want to make it straight time pay. Do you believe the members will want to go out on strike for weeks for something like this? They might? Communication with the members and what is worth fighting for is important to gauge when or when not to pull the strike trigger. There will always be whiners some will be furious that we would strike for Sunday double time, others would walk the line for months over the issue. The deal struck is really just a reflection of the strength of the membership's position and how bad they want i.
Ultimately the level of strength in the membership's resolve is what will dictate how much is to be saved or gained. A feckless, weak or even worse disunited group will be mowed down in a heart beat. Unfortunately most Americans don't realize just how much power they have over there employer if they stick together. The companies know this that is why they have crusaded against people having a voice in there workplaces since the beginning of time.
I am no union. Wish I were. Question to union negotiators. When time comes and company wants to cut A,B,C and you water it down - it considers to be a win for the union. But do you actually come aggressive to the company saying - give A,,B,C an increase? You have strike power, do you use it to gain benefits or just last resort in defense?
Someone here has a problem with basic comprehension. Frozen in reference to a pension means the plan is just that frozen closed or whatever word you may wish to use to future benefit accrual. Meaning at the freeze date nothing more can be gained by the beneficiaries there on. The talk about small or no increases in the pension bands is a whole other situation. During that time every beneficiary earned credits at the negotiated rate for their title. There was no freeze as everyone covered by contract continued and continues to earn pension credits until they decide to leave at which time the company is legally obligated to pay them for life or optionally a lump sum.
You are correct however if you are referring to the management plan that was indeed frozen about ten years ago.
Union will take it and say thk you may i have another...
@2xbf, I have pets that are smarter than you. The company wants to take away A,B,C,D, & E from the employee and the union is actually able to preserve A,B,C and D, but by your pretzel logic it's the union that screwed you? Anti union boiler room shill poster alert! Are the Koch Bros paying you a nickel a post for this garbage?
SCOTUS says the unions days ate limited.
Anti-union troll is back, and wrongly using the word "frozen" because it meant something far worse to another non-union group.
BTW, the union didn't "screw" anyone. Proposals are made that can negatively impact members, and the Union does what it can to beat those negative proposals back or water them down and make them more palatable. They, however, are not making those negative proposals, as you seem to constantly be inferring.
No increase in your pension band from 2010 to 2016 is a big loss in $$ if you leave with a monthly pension ,so it was frozen for that period of time,your union screwed you,
Unfunny's back.
The union agreed to a 20% pay cut, and everyone will work from free on Hans day.
Ok,
No news may be good news no one really knows.
So what everyone is saying is no updates.
Got it.
I am not @ter as that is a likely troll and to answer your question you are correct about the longevity table being set to I believe 2016. You are incorrect about the GATT being the only factor in the formula. The negotiations yielded our keeping the 3 indices for figuring the lump with our lump figured using the winning number. The GATT is the one that usually is the winner however as of late the PBGC rate has been the winner for my lump. The third rate they use seems to always be the losing rate at least over the last few years. I forget what it is called for that reason but it is on the pension page of about you and it is often like 100k less than the other 2 rates. GATT and PBGC usually are neck and neck.
@ter, the most recent biggest ramming your retirement payout took, to the best of my knowledge, was when actual longevity no longer was based on insurance company estimates of real life spans.
Prior to that, another MAJOR negative blow was the marrying of the lump to the GATT, rather than the previous basis.
At least that's what I have heard, though I am not in any position to vow for my statement's veracity.
Perhaps you know?
Our resident anti-union troll is back in the house, this time under the pseudonym @TQxeQ0W-ter!
Welcome to this thread non-Brother!
The contractual pension has never been frozen. If you mean no increase in band multipliers then yes. There where several years with no or small band increases. A pension freeze is when further service does not add to further increases in the owed benefits, hence the term frozen at the level earned at the freeze date. No negotiated pension has been frozen. The management plan was frozen in I believe 2009.
2010 ????
@ter, not sure what you mean by freeze on the pension, does that mean no increase?
5 year extension and freeze on your pension ,like what happened in 2010 and the union said there was no chg to your pension remember,frozen for 5 years..B.S