Just talked to a contractor putting up fiber equiptment in a central office in New Jersey. I asked him if this CO was getting fios and he said no, it’s getting 5G. He said that he was told that after Verizon finishes placing fios in the CO’s that already have it, there will be zero CO’s getting fios in the future....everywhere that they don’t already have fios will be 5G....NO NEW FIOS will be placed. IMHO, 5G will not be as good as fios, I can’t understand why they would abandon a great product.
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The problem with 6G and fluidic space, (well actually there are several problems with the fluidic space buildout), but the primary problem will be time travel.
The implications of time travel in terms of consumer behavior when it comes to wireless communications are baffling to say the least. Why make that call or internet search if you already know what is going to happen? Bill too high? Simply travel back in time to before you incurred the additional charges. There is no way to sell HUM to a customer who has a Time Machine.
Time travel is a game changer, and until we get a CEO who has travelled here from the future we will be in trouble.
Nope ... not gonna be 6G .... the move is to sub-space frequencies. It will require repeaters and converters to be put into fluidic space. This is one of the reasons the towers have been sold off. Entirely different requirements for fluidic space transmission.
"There is some "technical stuff" involved, but that mostly involves magic, wireless fairies, who lovingly carry your precious calls from cell tower to cell tower."
I heard that the upgoing 6G makes the obvious optimization, and uses the magic wireless fairies to carry the call straight from cell phone to cell phone, getting rid of the cell towers entirely (and that's why VZ sold the towers). In the current prototypes though, the fairies are rather rude, so they are trying to get the lovingly back.
Beyond the lifespan of anyone old enough to read this forum there will still be a physical presence of outside plant integral to delivering high speed communication services to the public. I would hazard to guess there will likely be more things to maintain build and upgrade even beyond that time. The whole concept of building a network and it is done is a ridiculous premise. It is always evolving. It will always need skilled people to build, maintain and upgrade it.
@1bfo, despite the smugness, know-it-all-ness, to your tone, in my opinion you're over-simplifying things, and ignoring very real challenges as if they simply did not exist.
It is a true statement that landline was bleeding to death, and the Wireless money kept them alive. YES Wireless needs wires (you idoits all ways use that same line) its only in a few places where it's Verizon Landline, and in most cases it's other companies.
Are you guy oblivious? Do you guys google the company you work for once in a while?
If you do some googling, terms like "Verizon" and "Intelligent Edge" and "One Fiber" and "5G" you will find out that this is likely just a consolidation of resources...something that started around the time that Verizon bought out Vodaphone....and the mass layoffs and reductions began shortly after.
It's pretty clear they want to run the Verizon network (everything it now owns) over everything that it controls....by using dark fiber or it's own fiber. Eliminating all the telco-lit stuff and eliminating Wireless from leasing fiber from it's own company.
They are simply eliminating redundancy...they clearly want to run it all over one fiber down the road instead of "one fiber for Wireline and one fiber for wireless". Sound familiar? Put the puzzle pieces together guys.
Just remember, the fiber isn't the only redundancy...so are the people working, repairing, building, and monitoring the fiber. They don't need redundant repair crews, IT, NOCs, and call centers anymore...same stuff that happens any time two companies merge together. VZ doesn't want to outsource to itself.
Everything that has happened over the last few years is all a consolidation and transformation effort. Have you guys heard these buzz words over the last few years? "Transformation" and "Cost Savings"? All the redundancies are part of the cost savings.
It's not about Wireless and Wireline anymore...it's all one company. I think the wire/fiber-based stuff will have more people left when VZ has satisfied it's shareholders but it wouldn't surprise me if VZ was (in some way) attempting to eliminate the union as 90% of wireless is non-unionized.
My $0.02...see links below.
https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/verizon-fixed-5g-just-one-slice-overall-network-evolution
http://www.telecompetitor.com/verizon-preps-for-5g-with-1-billion-next-generation-optical-fiber-purchase/
https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/verizon-says-intelligent-edge-will-reduce-network-costs/2017/12/
https://www.thefastmode.com/leadership-and-management/11774-verizon-to-focus-on-deployment-of-intelligent-edge-network-in-2018
https://electronicsofthings.com/news/verizon-transforms-intelligent-edge-network-without-impacting-customer-traffic/
https://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/verizon-selects-calix-s-sdn-based-platform-for-initial-ng-pon2-drive
https://www.lightreading.com/gigabit/fttx/verizon-preps-next-major-broadband-upgrade/d/d-id/722062
"Now would you like to explain to me how wireless would work with NO wireline? Just curious."
If you think that VZ is the only wireline solution, you are mistaken. How do you think markets without a VZ presence are able to maintain wireless? I can only imagine what the monthly bill is to local wireline carriers and metro-e providers.
Wireline is a legacy business model, selling antiquated technology. Without hard data, I would say that the main customer is well over 50 years old, and likely over 60. It would be a huge surprise if VZ Wireline around in 10 years. It's a sad truth. The saving grace that "old school" Verizon has is FioS. Hopefully it can be leveraged and marketed in a manner that will allow profitability.
"Verizon's solution? Lay off more employees -- snag more money -- provide even worse customer service. In other words; circle the drain on the way down."
I don't think that layoffs will snag more money - but I do believe that they give the shareholders a short term monetary gain at the expense of employees who have built this monster. Long term is painful to think about. Upper management will be long gone without a single fsck given.
"Now would you like to explain to me how wireless would work with NO wireline? Just curious."
No problem. To make a cellphone to cellphone call you first initiate the call -- it goes to a cell tower and ends up at a cell tower near the person you're calling and rings to that persons phone.
There is some "technical stuff" involved, but that mostly involves magic, wireless fairies, who lovingly carry your precious calls from cell tower to cell tower.
"Until the 2 entities started sleeping together, wireless never had a bad quarter."
It's called market saturation. Verizon's edge was better coverage and better service, and they charge a premium price for it. The problem for Verizon is they got cheap or greedy or both. Now they want to charge a premium price with less service and the competition is rapidly catching up on coverage. Verizon's solution? Lay off more employees -- snag more money -- provide even worse customer service. In other words; circle the drain on the way down.
Now would you like to explain to me how wireless would work with NO wireline? Just curious.
@jby: Until the 2 entities started sleeping together, wireless never had a bad quarter. Shortly after the announcement that it was to be one company wireless couldn't give phones away. Coincidence? Doubt it. East coast is filled with union puke that get to keep their jobs not because they do good work, but because it was negotiated. Can't wait to see those guys go away.
Non- union vs union who creayed that senerio,,the vp'director's and upper levels in this company..that issue will never go away even when you say its one company...and as for 5G vz better do the right things otherwise they will end up belly up...maybe they need new upper level management with new ideas
Nobody is going to buy that 5G home internet and video crap, customers will flee to their local cable provider, and Verizon will be back to square one in 10 years. By that time most of us will be out of here. 5G is going to be the budget home internet solution at best and will go down as yet another epic failure in the history of this leadership like their Go90, AOL, and Yahoo acquisitions. And for that dummy that said that wireless has kept this company afloat all this time? Oh man, you apparently know nothing about both how the network runs AND how Verizon handles their billing between the two entities. Do some research next time and don't look like an idiot when you post, ok?
Union vs Non-Union
There is ONE company, VERIZON. You all work for the same people. Get over it already!
Blurred lines. Wireline runs the fiber. Wireless finishes the delivery of service to the customer. Who cares which side you're on, it's all one company.
Using wireless to deliver high quality home service means growth, which is good for everyone.
Old wireless sales slogan: “Can you hear me now?”
New wireless sales slogan: “Do you want fries with that?”
You cant have wireless without wireline...you have no clue where the dial tone comes from or how it is delivered. Wireline also paid for wireless, and wireless is saturated...no more growth.
LOL @ Wireless Snowflakes.
Wireless has kept wireline alive for the past 8 years. Wireline would have (and SHOULD have) been sold off years ago. Antiquated technology that is nothing more than a burden to Vz in a highly competitive field. It's unfortunate that it's been kept around for so long.
I would imagine so. I think they are putting all of their eggs in the 5G basket.
Is that true for to whole northeast footprint no more expansion of fios
Don’t worry about the wireless snowflakes, they work in customer service/ sales....they can get a job at McDonald’s.
I know it’s cheaper but it’s not a better product. I’d rather give my money to the cable company than have 5G. Wireless has too many bugs and blind spots. Only thing I can figure is that the company wants everything wireless, so they can get rid of most employees....even go as far as selling all of their phones online and have the customers do the data transfers themselves....getting rid of most of the wireless employees also. Going to run this company with a skeleton crew.
Because it’s wireless, much cheaper to install and less jobs for union employees. No future for wire line, it’s a dinosaur.
Because they are going to sell Fios...