Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Thanks a lot, A$$HOLES! Monthly 401k matchgoi going away

Just when you thought these f---ing scumbag m------f----s couldn't get any lower, they have removed the monthly match for the 401k in favor of a yearly lump sum. This means your 401k will grow much slower, not having the monthly accrual in which to help build upon. To anyone considering HON, DO NOT unless you have ZERO other choices.

As announced in Darius’ January 8 Global Town Meeting, Honeywell will be enhancing the standard match formula in the Honeywell 401(k) Plan for eligible participants* effective on or about April 6, 2018.

This is great news for our U.S. participants. It marks the third increase in the Company match since the Great Recession and reflects the sustained improvements we have been able to make in our performance as well as passage in December 2017 of comprehensive tax reform within the U.S.

The new match is outlined below:

· For those currently at 75 percent of the first 8 percent of eligible pay (maximum 6 percent match), the match will increase to 87.5 percent of the first 8 percent (maximum 7 percent match).

· For those currently at 37.5 percent of the first 8 percent of eligible pay (maximum 3 percent match), the match will increase to 43.75 percent of the first 8 percent (maximum 3.5 percent match).

In addition, rather than having a match each pay period, any match will be paid annually in a lump sum by the end of the January following the calendar year. This benefit rewards loyal employees who choose to remain at Honeywell with an increased match formula. To be eligible for any match for a given year, participants generally need to remain actively employed by Honeywell through and including December 15 of that year.

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Post ID: @OP+RtfmrIp

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The official email just went out. The email from our fearless leader last week did say they're looking to grow free cash by 20% in 2018. What better way than to withhold the match until 2019.

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Post ID: @2tcg+RtfmrIp

@2rox No they can’t. The promise date is December 15th, so that creates a commitment to pay out. They do have the right to change the plan anytime before that to change the pay out and anytime after that to change the plan for the following year.

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Post ID: @2cju+RtfmrIp

Can the company say on Jan 30th oh, our financials are bad , so No match ?

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Post ID: @2rox+RtfmrIp

@1fbm The email was supposed to go to managers as an advance notification but went to a lot of additional employees as well. Leave it to HR to screw up the announcement. You would think that with the cat out of the bag they’d go ahead and release the email to the general population, but it’s apparently so much better communication for employees to hear it from their coworkers and from this site - not. Another genius move. This company couldn’t handle a real PR nightmare.

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Post ID: @2kqc+RtfmrIp

I agree with everyone else on this thread. I have been with the company for 33 years and have always been in a block 2. I am above average. This is the final F---ing straw! There are a lot of companies that have tried to woo me their direction. I am sick of constant RIFs, more work and continuing benefit reductions. Time to leave and for good. The worst part is I gave my life and soul to this place and put our customers first. They don't give a G--damn about any of it. They say they are doing this to reward "Loyal" employees. WTF...WHERE IS THERE LOYALTY. Buch of sons of b---itches...

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Post ID: @1nqc+RtfmrIp

I work in the Homes business and this latest shoe to drop is pushing good people toward the exits. They better have a plan in place for retention of top people (performers...not managers), or they are going to lose their best people and I don't believe the non-competes that many of us signed will hold up unless we sign a new retention agreement. I'm not an attorney, but I have spoken to a couple of labor attorneys that both agree that the non-compete would not hold up.

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Post ID: @1edk+RtfmrIp

GE used to be both a good company to work at and invest in.... then it became only a good company to invest in. And now it is neither

Hon is racing down the same path. This 401k change, WFH, forcing people into elbow for reviews, these are all signs along the path. If you are not reading the signs then the end of the path will be a surprise to you. For the rest of us, we are aware and making contingency plans, we are ready to say yes to the next good offer or accept the severance and start the hunt.

Just don't be naive..... plan for the worst but hope for the best. Just wait until all the workers receive the 401k notices on January 31, 2018.... the rants so far are from leaders.....

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Post ID: @1kgd+RtfmrIp

HON is collapsing after many years of promoting dipshits. Now it's becoming a software company so unless you write code and have an unpronounceable name, it's time to jump ship and let this ship sink.

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Post ID: @1mqx+RtfmrIp

This information was released in an email I received yesterday from M James, dairyasses little butt-boy.

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Post ID: @1agq+RtfmrIp

When did communication on this come out?

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Post ID: @1fbm+RtfmrIp

I was skeptical (i.e., cynical) of any true benefit to the employee when I first heard of it: information was too vague and sounded as though it was hastily delivered and meant to be buried underneath the typical white noise of 24 billion news items per minute. Of course my suspicions were confirmed. I've worked at too many companies to know that none of them gives a rat's posterior regarding benefits (especially benefits). The employees will not take advantage of HON's matching contributions every pay period which will severely short-change the 401k earnings. If I were not saving money on my own independent of the company I would probably be a lot more upset.

What this essentially means is that one should expect layoff notices in December and resignations in January/February.

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Post ID: @1nsb+RtfmrIp

Hit the nail right on the head

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Post ID: @1ifi+RtfmrIp

They are going to get exactly what they want on this one. Today I officially start looking for a new job and doing the minimum requirement. I will do my work but at a reasonable rate, not "fear or losing my job" rate And hope to exit with zero notice. Probably will start some unlimited vacation while working the new job and then just swing by to drop off my badge and laptop on a Friday after working a week or two at the new job.

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Post ID: @1rne+RtfmrIp

I am sure they are not done yet. Let's also take your company cellphone away and then PIP you for not responding to issues with "Urgency". Darius is finishing Daves last request, to make employees miss him(Dave). Dave was a Wolf in sheep's clothing. Darius is pure wolf. The agenda is to pay as little severance as possible as we shrink to become a software company. At least with this change we know most layoffs will be towards end of the year

And we should expect some more sales of parts of the company soon as this reduces the cost of running the company and increases what they can sell the parts for

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Post ID: @1ost+RtfmrIp

Thank you Honeywell for putting me on a PIP in my mid 50’s and then laying me off toward the end of 2016. I now work for a company that pays me more, has vision, dental, and medical insurance for a lesser cost. Also as a salary employee I get paid OT and my 401K is calculated weekly with straight hours and OT hours.

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Post ID: @1dub+RtfmrIp

Well they finally pushed me too far. Just sent out my resume to 3 other companies. Hardest part is taking that first step. There does seem to be other opportunities out there. Take a look. Give it a shot. If you are going to just sit and complain then you deserve what Honeysh.t is dishing out. It's your move now. For once don't just complain do something about it. Send a message to Dairyass and his minions.

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Post ID: @1hpr+RtfmrIp

This change does NOTHING to “reward loyal employees who choose to remain”. It is in fact a slap in the face of “loyal employees” and kick in the a$$ of employees that get RIF’d, retire, or leave on their own account.

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Post ID: @1ltz+RtfmrIp

Who says you have to stick around to get the match? Go somewhere else where it is actually paid! Not worth the personal pain to stay for the bucks. Corporate didn’t read the tea leaves too well on how this would go over - or they did and didn’t give a damn.

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Post ID: @1jpz+RtfmrIp

Financial news networks exist as the Press Secretary for WS pump and dump machine. They love that Hon is doing this. They are pumping right now so WS can be dumping high. It will be years and stock a lot lower before they start to wonder on TV what happened.

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Post ID: @1jgr+RtfmrIp

And how easy will it be for HON to claim in late December of every year that they "just can't possibly afford" to put out such a large, one-time, lump sum purchase given the state of the business. Mark my words, within 2 years the "annual" match will be a thing of the past, like the Dodo bird. And how is the investment community going to react knowing that in January of every year, HON will need to purchase a HUGE amount of common stock shares to meet this 401k match funding commitment. Wonder how many of the upper level VPs will dump their stocks near that time because the short-term market cost will soar in anticipation of the needed stock purchase.

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Post ID: @1lwd+RtfmrIp

This would make it a total downgrade to the benefit. No more daily compounding, no more match if you get RIFed or leave before the end of the year. WTF they are trying to sell this as a plus? What planet those idiots live on?

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Post ID: @1gux+RtfmrIp

The sob got one thing right, that's how honeywell rewards it's loyal employees, by screwing them over...

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Post ID: @1wmk+RtfmrIp

Dollar cost averaging right out the window. 75k hit for getting back lost benefits. Nice email on our 4th qtr results though.

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Post ID: @hiu+RtfmrIp

Is this a new (and diabolical) spin on the 'golden handcuffs' concept? Years ago I stuck around for the 'step up' in pension benefit at age 55. A big part of that equation was medical coverage for retirees. Well, that got snatched away before I retired. I'm retired now and I wonder why anyone would consider working a day longer than necessary at this evil enterprise.

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Post ID: @wkj+RtfmrIp

If you saw or watched the town hall meeting where DA announced the 401k match increase it was very awkward and rushed. Brushed over even.

Now in hind sight it seems that someone was obviously showing us the carrot while hiding the stick. This was no benefit increase. Feels like we were hoodwinked

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Post ID: @pgd+RtfmrIp

Seems like everyone took it as well as I did - NOT.

This is such a new low, that it is unethical. Too bad it’s not illegal - or is it?

This kind of announcement needs to be broadcast on all news networks (fake or not). The word needs to know what kind of diabolical company Honeywell has become. The.ONLY folks who are satisfied with Hon is leadership and investors. They screw customers and employees at every turn.

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Post ID: @mrz+RtfmrIp

One of the effects (intended or not) of this is that people will wait until they get their match in January or Feb (whenever), then leave immediately thereafter. Of course, the near-term goal is to make people leave this year, but going forward there will be a mass exodus at the beginning of every year rather than having people trickle out each month.

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Post ID: @zxs+RtfmrIp

I was wondering how they were going to make massive improvement in free cash flow and now we know one of the ways.

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Post ID: @crk+RtfmrIp

Hey everyone, I quit last March & moved to Florida. It has been great, nearly a year now and I have ZERO regrets.

Don't just gripe and complain, put on your big boy pants and quit. If it screws over coworkers b/c you leave oh well, it's their choice to stay and get the hard one from HON. You have to look out for Numero Uno. Hell, Honeywell literally takes your blood or levels punitive fines against your HSA contributions.

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Post ID: @sxw+RtfmrIp

The worst part of this is the positive spin they try to put on this.

"This benefit rewards loyal employees who choose to remain at Honeywell"

SERIOUSLY!!! They really think we're all morons. Now they need to find a new low to sink to in the name of employee benefits.

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Post ID: @rxh+RtfmrIp

If I retire at age 65 in mid-year, do I also lose the company match? Only Honeywell would do something like this.

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Post ID: @cbq+RtfmrIp

The hits keep on coming in this sh--hole company!!!!!

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Post ID: @yic+RtfmrIp

Just when you think they can't sink any lower. Every week a new low. Time to leave this sh--hole company.

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Post ID: @ean+RtfmrIp

Judy when you thought it was as bad as it could get, they find another way to screw the working folks.

How can you continue to stick around?

Next will be lump sum pension

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Post ID: @bpd+RtfmrIp

Omg . Amazing. So, they recognize folks are leaving. But, instead of listening to the worker bees and try to fix the environment, they pull this ! It is diabolical.

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Post ID: @nqg+RtfmrIp

Layoff date for 2018 just announced. Mark your calendar for 12/14/18. Confirmed.

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Post ID: @jpm+RtfmrIp

This is 100% true. They can’t do a nice thing without hurting us.

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Post ID: @vyj+RtfmrIp

Exactly! December will be the season of RIFing. Merry RIFmas from dairyass

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Post ID: @vms+RtfmrIp

Time for a strike....!!!! Even if there is no Union we can turn out motors down to idle. Lets make March 2 national no work day....use your unlimited vacation or sick time.

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Post ID: @ndy+RtfmrIp

When Honeywell gives you the carrot, time to clench because they’re going to try to sodomize you with it.

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Post ID: @lwi+RtfmrIp

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