Whether you’re a current or past employee of Honeywell you have to be frustrated with the way the corporation is headed. We have to stand together and keep our Americans employed and HAPPY. The last 10 years have been brutal. They have slowly taken a lot away from us, annual picnic, medical benefits, 401k, vacation but most of all “our jobs”. We’re held hostage and forced to take furloughs, have our bodies invaded annually “or else” and now they’re holding our matched funds for a year, and BTW, you better not leave until Dec 16 or that’s gone too. This has to stop!!! We need to bring in the Union to help us before it’s all gone. Post AGREE or DISAGREE to get this ball rolling.
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The only thing the Teamsters union ever did for me was to ensure I lost my job via a strike when I worked at UPS. Not interested in the corrupt sewage that comes from union stupidity. If you can't see what's going to happen with a union, you deserve what you're going to get: eventual unemployment and a cubic a$$load of corruption from the likes of people like Sean O'Brien.
Could care less about Honeywell as a company. Management is doing a great job on its own running the company into the ground.....I am just tired of the corporate bullies s—ing the life out of good people. They obviously feel these good knowledgeable people can all just be replaced as a commodity....To get good people to work for your company you have to treat your people with dignity and respect. Since Allied signal bought and gutted Honeywell (Original Honeywell was a good company) it has managed to completely destroy moral throughout the company.. When people don't have pride in the company they work for they will not create a good product and will not be driven to promote the company to the market place.
The state Honeywell is in at the moment workers don't have much to loose bringing in a Union.. At least in the short term workers could get proper bargaining power before Honeywell shut down the unionized parts of the company.
People complaining about the "company going down the toilet" and also calling for a union is hilarious. What company do you know of whose employees unionized performed better as a result?
Certainly the auto-manufacturers didn't. I recall a WSJ article from a decade or more ago when Delphi went through bankruptcy (they make car parts like dashes, etc). The average pay (including incentives) for a worker on the assembly line was $60/hr. I suppose that's great for those employees however it ran the company into the ground.
Using a union & the terrible labor protection laws related to unions to purposely restrict the quantity of labor to a particular company in order to artificially raise wages above market is unethical.
To those that want to unionize please go talk to your HR Generalist to find out how you can go about doing that.
I totally agree “We Need A Union”. This company, that I was so proud to be part of at one time, is being flushed down the toilet. I hope the Union comes knocking on my door sooner than later.
You (trolls) who hang out here complaining about cry-babies , why are you here anyway?
Are you not entertained ? Isn't that what you here for?
Ok. You naysayers who hate unions, what is Your solution outside of leaving the company? You criticize but not offer anything. You should go back hanging-out at the Glassdoor drinking the Koolaid .
Yes , give them one more reason to leave your state or even the USA. If theres anything that would make them leave faster, bring in the union. I’ve irked transitions and they hate em. Used as excuse many times to get out of a particular site.
Good luck.
-3yth Because unions these days are counter productive. The only reason they exist is because of the establishment of the NLRB and their rules. They cling to existence in many cases through thuggery and violence (TONS of historical evidence of intimidation to vote for unionization and violence against those tbat choose to work, so called "scabs"). Give workers the option to not join (eg Right To Work) and membership gets decimated. Just look at Wisconsin. There is a reason why. The problem I have with people anonymously calling for unions is because unions are regressive, coercive under law (not free association between people), and are generally supported by either those that want job protection to be lazy, ensuring political donations to Democrats, and/or those that would "manage" the union and pull hefty salaries FROM the members' paychecks.
It is objectively a terrible idea. Calling out those that promote it is necessary. Finding a different job isn't hard these days.
Only babies cry: I quit five years ago. What are you doing here, lecturing? You so superior to everyone else?
Funny how the OP and many commentators here think they are entitled to their job and certain pay increases. Guess what people, you can go find a new job with better pay and benefits if you are so inclined. The reason you haven't already is because you are either 1) lazy, 2) not good at what you do, or 3) you just like to b--ch.
You are selling Honeywell your labor. It isn't as if they own you. You're not being paid with Honeywell Bucks that are only redeemable at the Employee store. The flip side is that you don't own Honeywell and aren't entitled to anything that isn't in your employment contract. If you keep selling them your labor at what you view as below market that means YOU are f'ing yourself. Rather than whining about what you feel you are entitled why not do something about it and quit? Much easier & safer to post anonymously here and do absolutely nothing to help yourself though.
I am tired of hearing labor pains and want to see a baby. Go find another job or realize you are dicking yourself and shut the hell up already!
Hey OP, you can join a union just go to work at one of the factories. Suggesting unionization of the white collar workforce is idiotic. You are either too lazy and stupid to negotiate for yourself or too incompetent to find a different job. That is the only rational takeaway when you say you want to pay someone else to negotiate your pay anf benefits for you.
Maybe go to a trade school. Seeya next time my pipes need roto rooting!
@2cqc - "If I win a lottery, I would donate 1mil for this cause and openly organize an union!!" Seriously?! What a f---ing joke! Don't give me hypothetical b---s--- about what you would do with make believe lottery money.
How about you actually DO something beside rabble rousing on a remote website where you're totally anonymous? How about actually step up and put a real face and name to actual organizing efforts in the real world?
Let's do it! If I win a lottery, I would donate 1mil for this cause and openly organize an union!!
https://www.speea.org/Homepage/index.html
Email a SPEEA organizer today– organizing@speea.org
Phone – 1-800-325-0811, ext. 1201
SPEEA welcomes any inquiries about our union, joining us, or any feedback or sharing news
about where you work.
We recommend contacting us from your personal email or personal phone.
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This idea has been going around for decades. The resources have always been out there. (See http://www.ifpte.org/). EE Times has published articles about this for years. But no one in Honeywell was ever interested. I hate to say it. But I doubt there is enough of a workforce left in the US and Canada to have the impact you hope for. We all know the business and the stock price is a house of cards and it is only a matter of time. Meanwhile - there are a lot of opportunities out there offering better pay, better benefits, flexible hours, and a chance to feel valued again. It's a job hunters market and stiff competition amongst tech employers for good talent.
You all are wasting your efforts. HON cannot be saved. Once all the value has been extracted, it will be sold off. Get out now.
How will you know if they are wearing green because of this, or if they just happened to wear green that day?
“Honeymelted” that’s a GREAT idea. Let’s pick next Friday, March 2nd everyone wear GREEN, indicating MONEY. Let’s see if we can do it. Tell everyone to wear GREEN that day and hopefully we both will be shocked.
Agree with 1ogr. That time has passed. Now it's every man for himself. We are all just trying to hold out until we can find something else, retire, etc. We are all just concentrating on ourselves as we watch the ship sink as the ALT all get in line to felate dairyass. I come in each day, I go through the motions but I'll be honest with you all; I don't give two sh--ting sh--s about HON or the success if the company. I care about me and me alone. HON has created this environment and this culture. It's 100% HONs fault. The business is failing as a result of poor management decisions behind made by people who aren't qualified to be in the roles they are in. Everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about and who I'm talking about.
I don't think there is enough soul, solidarity,
or will to thrive left to organize a union.
I would test the waters first by seeing if one could get a majority of people to wear the same color shirts for a day.
I doubt even a simple thing like that could happen, because nobody cares anymore, and everyone is just busy figuratively stabbing each other in the back just to keep their jobs.
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Thank goodness people are listening. If we don’t unionize soon our jobs will all be gone. Boeing recognizes the importance of GOID engineers and it obvious with them pulling work from us to do themselves. Let’s move forward. Get your peers to come to this site and post AGREE to this posting so we can start to get an accurate number of followers.
The difference between Boeing and Honeyhell is that A, Boeing isn't ran by greedy, goldbricking dipshits and B, Boeing is a real company trying to make the best products while earning a good profit.
You cannot threaten actions at HON which could cause business interruptions or problems because management is already doing a far better job than any of us could AND they're already tanking the business on purpose. It's like holding a suicidal person hostage; you can't because they're already willing to kill themselves so nothing you do threatens them. See? The ONLY thing we as self respecting workers can do is to all tell Honeywell to f--k off and we all find jobs somewhere else. Trust me when I tell you that this is the best course of action because those do not leave on their terms will eventually be replaced by "lower cost" employees in "high growth areas" or "emerging markets". Get out while you still can. Just imagine these words hanging as a sign above the door of your HON site: Arbeit Macht Frei.
Here's a little verbiage snagged from that Boeing Speea website for you all to chew on:
"Boeing and the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA), IFPTE Local 2001 today announced the 2018 salary adjustment funds for employees in the union’s Professional and Technical bargaining units.
After reviewing the adjustment pools resulting from agreed upon data, Boeing recognized the need to go above and beyond contract requirements for salary pools to retain expertise and experience in the workforce. The additional adjustment results in a 3.2% salary pool for engineers with an additional 1.8% lump sum for all employees in the Professional Unit. The salary adjustment pool for Technical Unit employees is the full 5%.
As adjusted, the salary pools meet the contractual requirement to keep Professional Unit members at or above 115% of the market and Technical Unit members at or above 121% of the market.
Based solely on the market comparison outlined in the Professional contract, the salary adjustment fund for engineers would be 1%. The market comparison determined Technical employees were eligible for a 5% salary adjustment pool.
“This salary fund will allow us to recognize the importance of the contributions made each day by our engineering and technical employees,” said Todd Zarfos, vice president of Engineering Functions, Washington Design Center and senior chief Engineer of Systems."
Does that sound ANYTHING LIKE how you've been treated by Honeywell? I didn't think so.
Unionize now or forever hold your peace (piece?).
I agree, and I've posted a number of times suggesting this. Boeing has a union for engineers -- my brother was in that union before he retired. Here's a link to that union's website: https://www.speea.org/
I wonder if that union could be expanded to include aerospace engineers from other companies like MoneyHell. Seems like a lost cause however -- most engineers fancy themselves as rugged individuals who can fight their own battles. How's that working out for you - all? BTW, I retired a few years ago from the Engines division. Maybe my new career should be working to unionize HON. What do you think, management?
AGREE !!!!
Too late for a union to help unless you think that it could reclaim what has been lost to date. In my decades of experience around the country, this has never happened as a result of union negotiation or job actions. Spokane had an election some years ago when we were all forced into high deductible health care, instead of it being an option, but the effort failed.
The fastest way to have more reductions, of jobs and benefits, is to unionized. Classic playbook of every company. The only thing a union does is place the process in which jobs or people are impacted. Typically resulting in even the worst staying. Free market here guys. Choose to stay or leave, but no choice in what you get. Also, really not all that different at others companies.
Always great opportunities to start your own business so you can make the decisions.
Have any of you considered contacting the union that represents the type of work you do?
Maybe you might consider being part of the solution to get it going. Posting on this website for "someone to do something" is absolutely useless.
The problem with your rallying cry is this:
Companies with unions still have rifs, still offshore jobs, still reduce (modify downward) employee benefits, still have furloughs, still have...well..all of it.
So what good does having a union getting in your pocket do along with all the rest?
We CAN win this fight but it will take everyone’s support. If we don’t do anything it will continue down the current path of destruction. We have to stand up to these corporate leaches.
We will not win this fight. The best way to get back at these scumbags is to just leave. This forces them to hire untrained replacements and if we all leave, who is going to train them? It will be the final death blow to these retarded greedy dipshits.
And they will figure out a way to take even more.
You’re right. This is something that has been touched on many many times in the past but the past wasn’t as bad as it is now. We need to do something to maintain our jobs in the United States. This Has To Stop, NOW!! Let’s prove to these CEOs, VPs and directors, that we are no longer going to put up with this and it is going to stop. If you ever felt your job was it risk it is more at risk today than it has ever been. Let’s all band together to stop this and get our company back to the way it was when each and everyone of us started here.
Good luck! This has been going on for decades and corporations made billions off this sort of practice and buying politicians along the way to support their cause. It's a corporate nation.
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