Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Big round of layoffs starting this Friday

I just got back from a long discussion with a friend that has some pretty high connections inside Oracle. Hardware is a thing of the past, SUN HW / Solaris is officially dead, you will see heavy the layoffs in the next couple of weeks. HW is hit especially engineered systems and anything on premises. Over 70% of the Sales organization was slated to be replaced in FY18. About 30% has been replaced already. Expect a good number of the current sales team reps and pre-sales to be let go over the next couple of quarters. The replacement is with a mix of new blood (from college) and experienced cloud professionals. If you have more than a few years with Oracle this is seen as a bad thing. Make no doubt this is most likely your last year at Oracle. There is no surviving this.

Oracle is getting beat by the competition at every turn. AWS vs Oracle Cloud, PeopleSoft vs Workday, Siebel vs Salesforce, Oracle RDMBS vs MongoDB and host of other NoSQL companies. The flagship RDBMS is losing share to opensource like PostgreSQL, and competitors like IBM and EMC that came out with Neteeza and Greenplum. All of the technology acquired by Oracle in recent years is seen as old, rigid and inflexible. This perception is held by the top level executives. They are desperately trying to graft on a start up mentality. Sad thing is they have no plan as to what that thing is other than "cloud."

Oracle's life support is the 22% support revenue stream that has a strangle hold on its customer's budgets. They are all looking for ways out. They are finding tways out through other technologies outside Oracle. They are taking advantage of rapid development through agile programming, opensource, commodity hardware and software as a service. Oracle executives see this clearly and want to be a part of it. But, here is the catch. Oracle is investing less than 10% of what its competetors are in to infrastructure. Customers that wish to "kick the tires" as a car metaphor can not do so with Oracle. They can try out the competitor's cloud, but not Oracle's.

LE trusts MH. This is a problem as MH does not have a clue. MH says that Oracle needs to become more agile and more like a start up. So you hire college kids and people from start ups to bring new blood into the equation. This does make sense, but only if you retain the season sales force to continue the old business. No one person can keep up with all the technologies that Oracle has aquired. Its over 100 companies. That is why you have the "Oracle Bus," a boat load of people calling into the customer. Its really hundreds of products that need expertise. The call has been made that this strategy does not work, and that one person with limited sales knowledge tied to an ECA with even less depth across the myriad stack of hundreds of technologies will now sell to the customer. It wont work and we all know it, but at the executive level HW is a box, and software is just the business problem it solves. How hard can it be?

Compound this with the lack of investment in the cloud. SC is holding the purse strings and has valid points. Why invest when we have no customers? Naturally there are three problems with enterprise customers moving to the oracle cloud. The first is that the tech stack is not yet fully integrated, the second is that the infrastructure is still being rolled out and the third is customer perception. To address the customer perception Oracle is "cloud washing" revenue to overstate cloud adoption. Customers are allowed to reduce 50% of their support costs for ever dollar they invest in cloud. Oracle is offering cloud credits and counting it as cloud revenue, when in reality its just spinning support revenue as a new line item.

Point being Oracle has turned away from its flag ship product and it has no new products to replace it. 12cR2 has come out and Oracle has done little to nothing to help adoption in its customer base. It has turned its back on its core product as it beats a quick retreat. It has nothing of substance in its cloud offering. Compare this to the true continuous integration for agile development, rapid development builds and deployments, AI offerings, SAAS offerings and integrations offered by its cloud competitors (AWS, GCP, and Azure). The writing is on the wall. As sales decline and fail to meet target, the sales force will be replaced. The blood letting begins a new at the end of this week.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4102185-oracle-needs-one-critical-segment-keep-growing

New hires are coming on board to replace you. The article below is true, is not marketing hype. No notice has been given to the industry, but Oracle is officially out of the hardware business. All things Sun are going away. Sparc is gone, Solaris is dead the engineers and sales teams will be let go starting this Friday. Java (yes even Java) is now a thing of the past, no new development effort is to be continued outside of core functionality required by Oracle. Expect heavy cuts on everything related to Sun starting Friday Sept 1st. Moving boxes, and spreadsheets have been delivered to the SVPs.

Sales on all product teams across the entire company will be let go based on Q1 performance. ECAs will be cut based on Q1 performance, Cloud sales will be let go based on Q1 Performance and the trend will continue into Q2 and Q3. The shift is to have sales teams replaced as rapidly as possible. Many teams have been presented with technical counterparts from india. They are offered as help, but in reality they are replacements.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oracle-hiring-five-thousand-cloud-120000036.html

The hiring has a dual purpose, the first is to belay the Trump administration and the market so no one notices the layoffs. The second is to explain away some issues with Oracle cloud adoption. This is the "pivotal" year as the employees at Oracle are rotated out. Its not going to be pleasant and there will be little to no survivors for anyone hired before 2014.

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There is plenty of karma coming around to ORCL. They have acted like total dillholes to their customers and employees for so long. Now they don't have any corporate goodwill to build on. Zero. Just goes to show you that the old saying is true: it is nice to be important, but more important to be nice. Doesn't matter if you are a person or a company

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Post ID: @1vvu+P0heqBA

Shaking down Google for using Java APIs in Android didn't work out. Serves ORCL right.

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Post ID: @1gqa+P0heqBA

Wrong video. Try this one instead:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8

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Post ID: @1xfk+P0heqBA

https://youtu.be/YxvBPH4sArQ

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Post ID: @1cus+P0heqBA

I believe it. Oracle is a huge mess internally.

I think they could get rid of java... they don't have to own it, in order to use it.

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Post ID: @1hiq+P0heqBA

We have been told in Sales that SAAS ERP will take a hit. MH was quoted as having significant ERP growth in Q4. Here we are end of Q1 and it's lights out. No one is seeing the results. My peers in Sales are scratching their heads and quickly trying to find new jobs. We hear CSM LOB over compensated head count and may need to downsize in ERP.

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Post ID: @1yqx+P0heqBA

All the layoffs that I've seen at legacy Sun within Oracle happen on Thursdays.

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Post ID: @1xpk+P0heqBA

@ant - good luck fool - oracle stock is going to $5 per once the market understand cloud washing

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Post ID: @1hzl+P0heqBA

Oracle is sinking. The Wall Street is clueless... 0.5% up today, 25% up in last 12 months, 10% up in last 3 months... You can predict doom and gloom while I keep laughing looking at my balance going up.

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Post ID: @ant+P0heqBA

what a bunch of crock. i don't believe anything here.

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Post ID: @hyw+P0heqBA

Why the surprise? MH F: ed up HP and now he's doing the same thing to oracle. LE is too old and senior to understand, and SC can't see any further than her spreadsheets. The perfect storm to take down oracle and is happening right before our eyes, right now

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Post ID: @vde+P0heqBA

@P0heqBA-oer If nothing happen this Friday, you eat you sh-- ok?

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Post ID: @xbb+P0heqBA

Kudos - a 1055 word essay - thanks for taking time... I remember my college English classes, it'd take me a day to come up with a 1000 word write up...

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Post ID: @mgd+P0heqBA

@P0heqBA-bdd ok HR

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Post ID: @wev+P0heqBA

@P0heqBA-niz

Yeah right... pure fiction. Java is not going to be dropped at Oracle.

It is being dumped... read the article above this one. @P0Ncs0A "Oracle dumps Java... Confirmed" I have never seen anything as crazy as this at Oracle. It like everyone has lost their minds. Must be a MH thing. I swear he is trying to kill Oracle.

Oracle dumps SUN

Oracle dumps SPARC

Oracle dumps Solaris

Oracle dumps Java

Oracle dumps Oracle RDBMS (its not trying to sell it outside of cloud)

Oracle dumps all on premises sales

Oracle dumps its sales force

Oracle dumps it support engineers

Oracle dumps its developers

why?

Cause Oracle is a "cloud" company... You don't need any of this cause its all now done "automagically" just click a button...

... I can't make this crap up.... its totally insane

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Post ID: @zpw+P0heqBA

All things Sun are going away. Sparc is gone, Solaris is dead the engineers and sales teams will be let go starting this Friday. Java (yes even Java) is now a thing of the past, no new development effort is to be continued outside of core functionality required by Oracle.

Yeah right... pure fiction. Java is not going to be dropped at Oracle.

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Post ID: @niz+P0heqBA

Sounds 100 pct true to me. That said, MH and his minions will deny till the cows come home and even more afterwards.

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Post ID: @lfp+P0heqBA

Why retain the sales force? They're the ones that aren't doing their job properly! Lazy, arrogant and clueless - they deserve to be gone.

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Post ID: @aud+P0heqBA

Acquiring companies are partly to enforce the company's strength, while some are to add more values to the products acquisitions are done by many companies, not just Oracle, so what you wrote here is nothing but the same tactics(or strategies) as many companies. Nothing special about it.

Hiring young folks are also a scheme to cut the operating cost; but again this makes sense as you wrote as long as they're trained "properly." And this is also nothing new.

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Post ID: @tat+P0heqBA

Really 70% of the sales force? 30% gone already? yeah right. I dunno.... anyone have any numbers? I'm going back to work.

I'll bet anyone I have a job next week. Any takers?

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Post ID: @mit+P0heqBA

fear goes on the defensive or offensive, like these two clowns below my post.

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Post ID: @cdi+P0heqBA

I don't believe a single word. Not likely at all. Everyone at Oracle is totally safe and should relax, we should stop reading this forum. Oracle is doing great. I'm sure Q1 will show lots of growth in cloud and in the database.

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Post ID: @bdd+P0heqBA

Total trash. Everything is fine. Layoffs were done June 1. Nothing to report here. Go back to work.

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Post ID: @oer+P0heqBA

hehe...

are you the one who also predicted 60K in june?

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Post ID: @zlh+P0heqBA

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