Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

The end of the CWA

17,000 employees in California and Nevada go on strike for one day!?! If the CWA was smart (and that's a stretch) they would have held off on a one-day strike in Weat and let the Southwest contract expire and have BOTH regions go on strike at the same time. Then the b---s--- going on would stop because seven states would have walked off the job. Oh but the CWA is so in bed with AT&T that they couldn't possibly do that. Ever wonder why you see those little old ladies that were operators all their lives riding around in Caddy's?? It's because the union was STRONG and when AT&T began to screw with them, they shut down the whole frighten system. It's quite simple. Now that they have regions, they're not as strong because calls can be re-routed to other centers, technicians can be sent from other regions, etc. I am glad I don't work for a company that could give two sh--s about any of its employees there. I may make less now, but damn I don't have to feel like sh-- every day walking into The Death Star anymore.

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Post ID: @OP+MtJ5qal

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True, we won't be paid while walking, that is what savings accounts are for. It's not like we didn't see this one coming for the last 5 years.

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Post ID: @3bgd+MtJ5qal

Just remember-- While you're "walking the line" -- You DON'T get paid!! But the Union "officers" DO (with the dues you paid to THEM!)

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Post ID: @3ihj+MtJ5qal

Slowly they are getting rid of union members 20+ year seniority, something that couldnot happen in the past,our work center of 28 was quickly downsized to 12 , the company closed yards within 35 miles, leaving no transfersavailable, people had to relocate cities all together and many were moved. Farther away- 3 times in the 2016 calendar year, all this to force people to quit, WAKE UP!

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Post ID: @1axg+MtJ5qal

Every contract we hear how the company is going to destroy the union. It is a tiresome message. If AT&T was so good at "Union Busting" Maybe AT&T would have destroyed the CWA many, many years ago..

I'll walk the line to keep what I have for 2-3 months.

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Post ID: @1cgc+MtJ5qal

All that word salad to make a point against unions and it only takes a few to knock down your arguments. We union workers are far less likely to get our jobs taken away from us and given to low wage contractors or worst sent oversees. But keep trying to kid yourself that states like those in the south that are far less union friendly if they allow them at all like the auto plants are doing far better than the rest of us. How does it feel to wake up every morning not having the ease of mind that your job is protected as you put on your blue Walmart vest and practice that fake smile for minimum wage and under 40 hours a week? Yeah I'm sure we are clambering to do away with our union and end up like every sad sack that can't find a decent paying job.

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Post ID: @dql+MtJ5qal

As with The CWA phantom strike, the CWA members have a strong instinct to follow the rest of the flock usually follows, even if it is not a good "decision." For example, sheep will follow each other to slaughter. If one sheep jumps over a cliff, the others are likely to follow. Even from birth, lambs are conditioned to follow the older members of the flock. This instinct is "hard-wired" into sheep. It's not something they "think" about.

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Post ID: @ryc+MtJ5qal

“CWA Union function as labor cartels. A labor cartel restricts the number of workers to drive up the remaining workers’ wages….. AT&T pass on those higher wages to consumers through higher prices, and often they also earn lower profits.

Economic research finds that CWA benefit their members but hurt consumers generally, and especially workers who are denied job opportunities.

AT&T have less power to pass price increases on to consumers without going out of business, e.g. DirecTV cheap romotions, Consequently, unions do not negotiate higher wages for many newly organized workers. These days, try win higher wages for employees only at companies with competitive advantages, but again with all the debt strains the company is under, the outcome is unpredictable

It is true that CWA win higher wages for their members, though many do not. But with these higher wages, unions bring less investment, fewer jobs, higher prices, and smaller 401(k) plans for everyone else, more offshoring and outsourcing

Economic theory consequently suggests that unions raise the wages of their members at the cost of lower profits and fewer jobs, that lower profits cause businesses to invest less, and that unions have a smaller effect in competitive markets (where a union cannot obtain a monopoly).

…..CWA contracts compress wages: They suppress the wages of more productive workers and raise the wages of the less competent. And redistribute wealth between workers. Everyone gets the same seniority-based raise regardless of how much or little he contributes, and this reduces wage inequality … But this increased equality comes at a cost to employers. Often, the best workers will not work under union contracts that put a cap on their wages, so union firms have difficulty attracting and retaining top employees, welcome to the CWA state of mediocrity.

AT&T unionized environment earn profits between 10 percent and 15 percent lower than those of comparable non-union firms, ALL THE COSTS, that are associated with unions- It talks about how unions have cost GM remember?

Probably the item I find the most disagreeable is this following statement on individualism. It is why I have never belonged to a union, it goes against how I was raised.

“Final union contracts typically give workers group identities instead of treating them as individuals. Unions do not have the resources to monitor each worker’s performance and tailor the contract accordingly. Even if they could, they would not want to do so. Unions want employees to view the union–not their individual achievements–as the source of their economic gains. As a result, union contracts typically base pay and promotions on seniority or detailed union job classifications. Unions rarely allow employers to base pay on individual performance or promote workers on the basis of individual ability.”

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Post ID: @dur+MtJ5qal

Maybe @wrg is a union steward or vp being paid $40/hr to sit in TL and other websites posting pro-union messages.

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Post ID: @nux+MtJ5qal

Lol...

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Post ID: @laf+MtJ5qal

Maybe this is not one of Randy's trolls but just hard to follow what is being said.

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Post ID: @pbi+MtJ5qal

Randy's trolls must be working overtime, I wonder if they are getting union wages while they talk smack about the union. The logic is so weak and convoluted it just becomes...blah, blah, blah, we love corporate management.

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Post ID: @wrg+MtJ5qal

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