Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

This union is for the Old Timers, it is time to take action and take back your rights and your money

It is, quite simply, nearly impossible for workers to get rid of a union once it has been certified as their monopoly bargaining representative. It does not require an election at the end of a designated term, workers may never get the opportunity to decertify a union they don’t want representing them.

For workers unsatisfied with a union’s representation, this can be a frustrating process. After all, less than 10 percent current CWA members have voted to have a union in their workplace—in the union was already established and the worker had to join or face harassment, While de-authorization provides an outlet for workers who wish to exercise the rights of free association, the process is difficult. Workers who want to rid themselves of a union are completely on their own. Obviously the union will not help them and the company is forbidden to help by law. The company cannot even let the workers so much as use a copier for the petitions, which would be considered “aiding” the de-authorization effort.

Unlike decertification, a de-authorization election can take place at any time. It does not remove either the union as workers’ exclusive bargaining representative or workers’ obligation to abide by the collective bargaining agreement (the contract). It simply removes the union security clause from the contract, giving workers the choice of whether they want to be members of the union. If the workers are successful in de-authorizing a union, they are free to resign their memberships and stop paying union dues—thus creating a de facto right-to-work environment.

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Post ID: @OP+MfdHWdy

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good comment

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Post ID: @3mlb+MfdHWdy

First let me start by saying if you thinks it's broke then fix it - run for a union office, be on the negotiation committee, etc. now say that the union is bad because you as a DTV tech are upset because you don't work piece meal anymore and are now hourly with a range of benefits you neither understand or trust let's give you a short history lesson. Unions are in no way perfect they will never be because there is always someone that will never be satisfied but let's look at it from the benefit aspect - 1) pay: no matter how many jobs you complete you get paid for the time you work which means you don't have to kill yourself or "put it in high gear to be a performance monster" to get a good paycheck 2) insurance: has our health care costs gone up yes but not at the same rate because we are in a group plan(better rate because their are more in the pot) 3)retirement: is it great no but it gives you a small amount plus depending on how your membership in the union is classified you also receive a pension through the unions international office.

Is the union going to protect you from everything - NO, but the union will at least depending on grievance put up a fight on your behalf which could very well save your job and pay check

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Post ID: @3huv+MfdHWdy

Hey question ,I see a lot of disappointed people when it come to the union, what would you guys do differently. What are your plans, I don't see anything in these post but Monday morning quarterbacking. If you were the one pulling the lever what would it look like and how would you get it done. I would vote for you to be the leader of the union if you had the heart and the stomach to get it done. Don't talk about be about it

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Post ID: @3lmi+MfdHWdy

Good information, tanks

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Post ID: @3ebn+MfdHWdy

Or ask your buddy Randy, he made $22,000 in under 7 hours last year. Another way to look at it is, he made that much money while he was sleeping in one night.

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Post ID: @2llh+MfdHWdy

How about the medical and other benefits that the union contract forces T to pay, how much are those worth?

Focusing only on pay increases is a dishonest look at the issue and you know it.

Ask your friends in upper management for refund, maybe they will skip a lunch to reimburse you.

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Post ID: @2gza+MfdHWdy

I have 17 years with Bellsouth/AT&T--I have paid approx $22,000 in union dues including dues taken from our Bonus. This is cash money taken from me. Our yearly 1 or 2% raises do not cover this money!

When a contract year rolls around, the CWA takes a couple of months of vacation they call "negotiations" and then come back and say "its the best we can do." I will be withdrawing from the CWA this year---maybe I can get a refund of my $22K?

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Post ID: @2ybk+MfdHWdy

I agree

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Post ID: @1vur+MfdHWdy

"define they careers based on their personal capabilities, Achievements, that add value to companies they work for"

Not true, it is not a level playing field. The company always prefers to deal with individuals rather than groups of people working together, as individuals we have much less power and leverage.

These so-called rights are the right to let the company divide us, to pit us against each other and provide wages and benefits that are the smallest possible.

The union is far from perfect but imagine letting Randy make all the decisions about your job security or the health care of your family.

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Post ID: @1ndx+MfdHWdy

still whining 99 percenters soon you will be crying ...game over...score win for the wealthy and zero for the poor middle class...

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Post ID: @1gqd+MfdHWdy

Umm, let's see how the union try to spin this one...

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Post ID: @1xth+MfdHWdy

BEWARE my current insurance cost and out anpocket cost for 2016 was 34,500.

I Put my time 30 +years for the company while my Union sided with the company in terminating my company sponsored health insurance

AT&T Cancelled my Retiree Health Insurace and replaced it with an HRA (health reimbursement arrangement) for QUALIFIED purchases only. Hired Aon consulting to coordinate the termination of the "old" plan and help retiree's move forward with their new options.

I had to schedule a phone interview with an Aon representative during the months of October and November.

The HRA money was 27K max benefit for the retiree plus an additional $1500 for their qualified spouse. This is your 2015 deposit. AT&T literature indicates future contributions are not guaranteed.

There were strings attached to the money.

Funds were deposited into my account ONLY because I purchase at least ONE of the following via the Aon representative, my medical cdt almost triple overnight

In this case this whole arrangement was designed by a lawyer, may choose a Medicare Advantage plan, Medicare supplement or Part D prescription drug . If you do not complete a qualified purchase from Aon you will not have access to the HRA money, they make itas difficult as possible for you to access the funds, thanks CWA

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Post ID: @1bwh+MfdHWdy

It s about choice, yours and mine , Every skilled, smart, capable accomplished professional gets vacation, benefits, healthcare and more, and define they careers based on their personal capabilities, Achievements, that add value to companies they work for, I could not see myself working for someone in which my personal contributions are not counted, or dismissed for the benefit of the collective, currently in America unions are the ones who makes people believe that without them, nothing is possible, so sad

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Post ID: @1zzr+MfdHWdy

I agree the union isn't perfect but we are better with one than not. The T would half your pay...cut most of the benefits you get and treat you like a contractor! Basically piece work with zero benefits! Look at the cable companies that are nonunion their pay s---s! I know I worked for one before.... The company likes to post stuff on here to try to get rid of the union they would love that!...as they say the devil will pose as your friend but beware he's not even close to your friend!

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Post ID: @1eho+MfdHWdy

Don't pay the CWA. Unions really aren't needed anymore and give false protection. I know it's hard to hear but it's true. I've worked both union jobs and corporate jobs and found the union reallly does nothing more for you.

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Post ID: @1ysu+MfdHWdy

@MfdHWdy-1dua: A little research reveals you are/were a DTV employee and know squat about the CWA. Best of luck to you.

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Post ID: @1fxs+MfdHWdy

Before Directv got bought out we had it good. We worked for a company that rewarded their top performers with quarterly bonuses if you hit certain numbers that by the way were easy to hit. You were in control of your income so if you were willing to put in the work then you'll have a great paycheck. The techs were close with managers, we have multiple company outside events, if you had any child care issues the manager would help out. I can keep going and going with all the great things we used to have. Now, I'm a member of the CWA and all of the great things we had with DTV are long gone. With the CWA I can be the fastest tech with great numbers and I'll get treated the same as the lazy techs that do the minimum. There's a movement in southern Cali to get the paperwork needed to get rid of the CWA. I dislike the way that they want the techs to believe that the managers are out to get them. I really hope that we can get rid of these clowns and go back to the way we had it before.

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Post ID: @1dua+MfdHWdy

Just another management troll or wanna-be, singing the tired old song that only puts more money and control in the hands of corporate management.

No overtime?

No medical benefits?

No vacations?

Low wages?

What would safety practices and working conditions look like?

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Post ID: @kme+MfdHWdy

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