So what did the Union lose? I see highlights of what they say we gained but it doesn't mention was the Union lost to for those gains. It really just matters what we lost because what we gained was barely anything.
I'm assuming most will vote No to this tentative Aggrement. Strike may be next.
West has already said they won't strike with us. Ratify the agreement or get f---ed when they give us the same contract without the new perks
I guess CWA assumes that their members are stupid. They very well may be. There is no job security in this agreement. Modifications to JOG have made it so. Start thinking people. This contract is BAD. Shame on you CWA. Sure, this contract has some pretty, shiny objects. What good is that when the new JOG s---s?
JOG is job offer guarantee. Basically, if you are at risk during a surplus, as long as you pass a spelling and keyboarding test, they have to find at least a clerical position for you. Plus, if you do have to take a downgrade to stay on payroll, there is some pay protection to ease you into the lower pay grade. Also, if they cannot find you a clerical position (which is quite common) you just stay in your current position at your current pay rate. Some individuals have been surplussed years ago and are still in their same job.
What is Jog? Is it protection from layoffs/ surplus? Thanks
Without JOG, many of us are toast. This contract is smoke and mirrors. Do the research. The contract looks kinda pretty, but the devil is in one detail. The modification to JOG. Contact your local union president and let them know that this is just wrong. If you are in the ST. Louis area, the president is Mike Mehringer. I know him. A nice guy. His number is 314-991-0200 X236. This contract should NEVER pass with this JOG modification.
I guess CWA assumes that their members are stupid. They very well may be. There is no job security in this agreement. Modifications to JOG have made it so. Start thinking people. This contract is BAD. Shame on you CWA. Sure, this contract has some pretty, shiny objects. What good is that when the new JOG s---s?
CWA relented on the most important aspect of our contract. JOG. Talk about regression. I can't believe it. What good are wage increases when CWA has made it easier to get rid of us? I will vote no. If this contract passes, I will resign from the union. You should too. Vote no on this. What a dirty deal.
The stated goal of AT&T is to reduce the workforce by a third. With the modifications to JOG, CWA has made this possible. What a dumb deal. Vote no.
Anyone saying this is a decent contract, is not thinking. With the modifications to JOG, we are out the door. What don't you get about that? You will not have a job. Unless you are willing to relocate states away for a clerical position. Of course the company will agree to generous pay increases, 2 weeks of baby bonding and other foolishness. With the modifications to JOG, you won't be around to enjoy it. Find some brains and vote no. The company knows EXACTLY what they are doing. Apparently CWA does not.
I will vote no. Although it appears to be a very generous contract, the changes in JOG will facilitate exactly what the company wants. To drastically reduce headcount. Whoa to anyone voting yes on this.
That's why you take the lump sum pension
The Union talking points are getting really old
question,If the Company bankrupts there will be a pension ?
Sorry auto spell strikes again....
Funny the what you post has the smell of a Disgruntled prem tech? Lol ask the pt's that just became msts how hard are job really is....your in dream land saying my job is so easy and over paid! Funny thing is I won't be surpluses the new Pt/mst's will be gone down the road and the new hire pt's will be doung my job for 1/2 pay and no experience no Benefits and no clue of what their doing! 🍾 I'll be retired enjoying my pension that they won't ever get.....lol
So you're a senior MST with super hero powers lol. Please, if there's a job that AT&T wants to get rid of is your position buddy. There's hundreds of premier techs that can do your job for half the pay. Why do you think every year the company wants the Prem-techs to do more of your job? I hope that with all your education and experience that you say you have you can find a job at Walt Mart because that's where you're heading to. everyone knows that MSTs are the laziest POS out there. They want to get paid for 8-10 hours but only put in 2-4 hours of actual work. So Mr. MST, when you get fired please let me know which Walt-Mart you'll be working at so I can go and laugh at your a$$. So for the last time, don't be a greedy POS. You're days are numbered Mr. MST. Be happy that you still have a job and get paid a decent amount of money to do it because you know very well that you don't put in the work to deserve that kind of $pay$
Your still on the payroll, your offered a job within the 5 states and must pass the qaulifications test for it. If you don't pass it your still employed and under JOG protection. I'm sure you can fail a test for a job in a statebyou don't want to be in.
The biggest regression is J.O.G...it use to mean job offer guarantee.. if your job is in jeopardy u could remain on payroll until another job within the company in your current scope(area) is found...well now u can be offered a job anywhere in the 5 state area...makes it so much easier to get employees off the payroll...basically no J.O.G., even tho they saying its not going away..it is to me.
I have no dog in this fight so it doesn't matter to me what you do but here's a piece of unsolicited advice. Take it for what it's worth.
You know what you're getting if you accept the contract as is.
Now look at what you could reasonably expect to gain by voting no and holding out a bit longer. Also look at the cost of doing so. If you vote no it potentially pushes out the date for whatever gains you may obtain. For example the effective date of wage increases. So if you get a slightly bigger raise but don't get it for another two months is it really worth it? you'd have to do the math to find out.
Then also look at the cost of striking compared to what you can reasonably expect to gain. Is a bit bigger raise or lower insurance premiums going to make up for the lack of a paycheck from AT&T for the duration of the strike. Your strike pay isn't even close to your normal paycheck. Again you'd have to do the math to figure it out.
Just some food for thought for you guys. Good luck either way.
VOTE...don't let the Trolls say your VOTE doesn't matter.....that's with the company wants you to think.....head games they teach their managers to use on you....truth
Hey Trolls you should apply at Walmart yourself...they love to hire ex AT&T managers and bean counters....🤓
AT&T company = greed,nasty,takers,pay the real workers as little as possible,hire managers that coundnt get a job at a good company....the older Good managers are long gone now!
Lots of Trolls on this post....just be happy to have a job or leave!...sounds like a manager post to me? And FYI as a senior Mst I'm not the bottom of the food chain as you say... I have 10 times the skills and experience of the managers I work for! And try bachelors degree,military experience,electronics on and on I'm not a Walmart worker dumb--s!
Go back on your keyboard and try to troll someplace else you have no clue what you're talking about just trying to get people stirred up.....Troll 💩
I agree it's alright agreement. No retrogression. It's really a matter of do members think they did enough. Is it worth it to fight for more with a strike?
I'm going say this is a decent tentative agreement. Not the best, don't beat me up over this. But decent. Not the worst contract. No take backs, didn't lose what we Bargained for before. Raise to off set the increased healthcare. It might not be the big in your pocket money raise but it's something. I think this contract is better than the other two last contacts. Everyone would like more but most times you cant skip ten steps you have to take one at a time. It's just decent. Us premise techs need to start fighting back and stop doing more work thats not ours. They even told us we are primarily premise techs and only on occasion go to another terminal to run a cross connect. No more trying to waste time getting pairs scotchloked or pairs good to the bdBox. If I dont have a good pair at my term I'm wiping my hands and waiting for a CST. Don't matter what happens to my numbers. If I dont get paid more I won't do other techs work.
Wait so just because $26-37 is a lot of money to you people should be happy and settle? The goal should be to get as much money as possible. Executives do it all the time and we admire them. I hope you aren't union with that "be grateful we aren't Walmart" attitude.
For new members it's always been like that, new members always get the short straw. The ones who can survive and stick through it or don't get laid off they eventually get seniority and things get better for them. It doesn't always work out but if they can survive for 15+ years then it pays off most times. Times are changing so newer titles like premtechs won't be benefiting as good as older titles but that's why the union bargains. It's a progression that might take 4 or 5 contracts. CST pay and benefits was a progression also.
That won't last at least for new employess or less of 5 years of service no ,pension, first to be on the chopping block, this is not the union say 29 years ago, times are changing,,, fast
Wow! So you get paid $26-37 an hour and you still complain and demand to get paid more. Again, be grateful that you get paid that much and stop being a cry baby. The CWA is a joke and you know it! By 2020 the workforce will be reduced by 30-40% and your sorry a$$ CWA will not be able to do anything about it. If you believe in the CWA then I bet you also believe in Unicorns and Santa Claus. If people that work at Walt-Mart heard you complain about getting paid 26-37 an hour they would think your a spoiled, lazy, ignorant individual. So I'll repeat this again, if you don't like the company then QUIT!
CWA Bargained AT&T Employee= spoiled/lazy
Arrogance and stupidity are the hallmarks of corporate management, but it is the management wanna-bees who are the most vicious.
No you go work for whatever company pays that, we are CWA Bargained At&t Employed. We get paid $26-37 an hour and the company will pay it they don't have a choice, if they did they would have already done something about it. They need our labor and our labor is union labor. Sorry buddy but your in the settle for less group. Go find a workforce that thinks like you. Remember the non management AT&T workforce is a union workforce. Accept that or go work for Walmart where you can be an army of one by yourself stocking the toy section. We don't need one offs coming into union workforce who don't appreciate what 50 years of union bargaining has done for every new employee.
Come on now! Most of you have high school diplomas and expect to get paid like someone with a higher education. You're at the bottom of the food chain and want to get paid like a boss. Be grateful that your spoiled a$$ has a job. If you're so tired of how the company treats you then walk up to a manager and tell them, I quit! No one is forcing you to work at AT&T. So please do everyone a favor and kick rocks so the company can hire someone that will happily work for $20 an hour plus benefits, 401k, gas card, free tv, 50% off your cellphone/home security system, school assistance and it goes on.
....VOTE NO....
It does not matter what you vote. Its already decided.
VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!
Pinko-alert? Is someone barking from the cave?
Sure, lets rely on the company's good will for our wages and benefits.
After 20 years i have paid the union 18K, to keep me employed, that won't be the case for someone new that is where our union fails to achieve good results, indeed bad news for our brotherhood on the next 5 years
VOTE NO....put your purses down!
Pinko alert!! The union s---s and most folks will vote yes anyway. If the union was great then remove the security clause agreement with AT&T and see how much real support you have.
Troll alert....deal is fair are you joking! Time to Strike with the West they have been almost a year with no contract! Remember Power in numbers to beat the Bully!!$