I think with all of the chatter and the recent layoffs this would be your time to come in and flip Verizon to union. People are afraid to lose their jobs and would, for once, have an open mind to the idea of unions. If the all of these posts are true you need to get the word out there before the 1/27 date everyone is talking about.
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I made more and none of it went to union dues. Good guess on the $10/hour though.
I made $140,000 last year. and ill make that the for next 3 years, I can afford a strike, Ill keep CWA, you keep the $10 buck the hour
The Union would have made layoffs happen sooner by putting more people on strike and costing the company more money. See you union folks on strike again in 4 years, better be saving, this one will be rough!
2asg, you forgot one thing, revenge is a dish best served cold. What the leadership didn't think about was that, with a tiered membership, the lower tiers will eventually be a majority and look out retirees! Hate to see it happen, but it is going to.
To summarize, if wireless workers were to unionize, they would:
-not be pension eligible
-not have layoff protection (ended with 2003 contracts)
-not get raises based on merit
-be obligated to walk around in circles and not get paid for weeks at a time every few years
-have a portion of their dues support commie pinko meatheads like Bernie Sanders
Face it, the union is not what it used to be. Newer members do not get the perks and gravy train that the older members boast about. Basically you just get another hand in your pocket...
So...Sign up now!
"What new union employees?"
Any associate who is first hired as a union-represented associate on or after October 28,
2012 (“Pension New Hire”) will not be eligible to participate in the Pension Plan.
ijfn you sound like a coward. Strikes have never been that infrequent. We struck in 1971,1983,1986, 1989,1998,2000,2011 and 2016. The only time there has been any sizable gap in time is after long ones. This is nothing new. Nothing comes for free. Sacrifices and resolve are needed to make gains. in the job. If a group is unwilling to stand up for itself they can cower and hope for what may or may not be given to them.
@jfn
What new union employees?
WIreline worker here and I'm having a career year thanks to the strike. I've been on overtime almost the whole time we've been back. So yeah, I made back all 7 weeks and then some and the family is having a nice Christmas. So not all of us suffered because of the strike. Sorry to shatter the VZW illusions about unions.
Strikes are no longer infrequent. The union has gone on strike the past 2 negotiations, and they will strike again next time. New union employees are not pension eligible.
You anti union SCUMBAGS deserve what you get
I agree with ixnx. The wireless thought process is like that of a dog.looking at a bowl of food (that weeks pay). If the master (the company) takes away his pay he howls in fear oblivious to the huge vat of food in the pantry and is motivated to serve for the littlest treat. A wise worker sees the bowl (that weeks pay) and realizes there is a lot more pay to be had than what is in that bowl and strikes if needed to get his share of what is in the pantry.
OP I don't think that is possible. They have said time and again they like things as they are. Too much time and energy has been wasted trying to help them. They are like a child who won't take his medicine thinking it is poison and that the doctor has ill intent. Early on like 20 years ago it would have been like taking an aspirin to ward off mild discomfort, now the cure would need to be like chemo.
@iutn that thought process is very short sighted. One must think of the whole. It is this very thinking that allows the company to keep the wireless workers leashed and powerless. The lost pay of a strike is more than made up in future earnings and benefits down the line. No one wants to strike but they are made necessary by corporate obstinance. Out of twenty-six years working for them I have only had to strike for a total of less than 12 weeks. One could look at this as a great hardship but averaged out of almost 26 years at over 100k avg the 12 weeks is a pittance compared to the whole. It is also nice to not have to concern myself about layoffs and being pension eligible means if it all goes down the tubes in 2019 so what. I don't know why the wireless people would not want these things but we live in a country where free will is exercised and they chose to live poorer and without representation. To each his own. I think it is a shame they don't see reality for what it is. How is the union a problem for them it has never been one for me.
i talked to my cwa president 7 years ago on my brother inlaws behalf.he went to the orangeburg building in new york. what a waste of his time.. you wireless people think your soooooo smart. this past strike though we did get 87 of you morons to become part of the union.. we were out for 7 weeks for them and other things. good luck to you and god bless unions forever....
Oh, and the contract expires in August 2019, so its barely more than 3 years, not 4 years. But, hey...nice story...
"The Union Members are locked into a four-year deal with raises and no layoffs"
Walking around in circles for 2 months ate that raise, and you only have layoff protection if you were union from 2003 or prior.
I guess wireline employees just come on this site to be spiteful and vendictive? Why else would so many be here?
@OP, and the rest of Wireless RIF-Elects
Sorry almost 20 years ago you did not listen and in some cases disrespected us Wireline employees.
I remember going to a Wireless store to buy car adapter for cell phone. Wireline gets 10% discounts on accessories.
When I showed the associate my company ID, he said "Oh , you are from the other side , Well, we are the ones bringing in all the money" he said to me at the register in front of customers!
KARMA is a Witch, Wireless - soon to be RIF'd employees.
Sad,the fate of employees of corporate America,its too late for you guys,you should of stood by with the unions ,but you try to pic the union apart,now look at yourselves and your coworkers,you thought for years that you were better than the union workforcr,now look where it got you ,now sad to say its too late,so all you guys can do is move on
It's too Late now......We warned you....and we begged you to Unite, it would have made us even stronger against unfair layoffs and save your job today....But you scoffed at us, you laughed us, and called the Union members uneducated fat lazy slobs. You bragged about your "marketable skills" and how educated you are, and how you can find several jobs with even with higher pay immediately if you left Verizon.....Well, good luck with that now. Your time to put up or shut up is here.
The Union Members are locked into a four-year deal with raises and no layoffs, full pension, full medical.
Tell me again how dumb the Union members are, and just how smart you are?
Way too late for those people now. The strike in 2000 was their last chance to get onboard but they were too c---sure of themselves and didn't see the boulder rolling down the hill.
Too late now. Wireless should have gone union 20 years ago. It takes time to build up a strong level of solidarity among the workers. Even the wireline side can have issues with selfish and feckless members particularly in the southern states. The workers unfortunatly would likely fold like a cheap camera if the company used even the simplest of their tactics. Divide and conquer has worked well for them over the last 2 decades. All they would need to do is make a false promise to key work groups and the union drive would die then and there. I wish it were different but the wireless people just do not seem to have the backbone to fight for a better workplace for all.
If you where wise you would take the company for what it is worth while you are employed and use the tuition plan to finish your education and exit under your own terms.
too friggin late. Should have been done a decade ago.
OP - Your crazy. If something is going to happen on 1/27 the trigger has already been pulled. The CWA can't stop it. Or anyone else for that matter.