The company's strategy is unique. They just don't give a damn about their customers or employees. No talks taking place and none scheduled. I don't see the CWA coming back from this one. They never should have walked.
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customers seem just fine with it
It would not surprise me it should this strike go into the summer, that Congress will not start some hearings and investigations into Verizons H1B practices. It would also suprise me if all of the AFL/CIO unions leaned on their politcal clout to deprive Verizon of any more government contracts.
"Verizon is not coming back to the table with any more proposals, so the strikers had best be floating their resumes around and looking for another if they aren't planning to cross the picket line. May 20 is the apparently "D Day" and there are new rumors flying around that it might be even sooner."
I'm wondering if anyone can post this type of nonsense with a straight face.
There are labor laws in place in this country, as much as many would like to see them gone.
There are rules on what can and can't be done once an impasse is declared, as it has been in this scenario. One of the rules is that neither of the sides can retract its final proposal, and the company retains the ability to either implement its version - good luck with that one without the union signing off on it - let the strike happen, or perform a lockout. So far, it's option # 2 that has been playing out in front of everyone's eyes.
What exactly is supposed to happen on May 20th? Is McAdam coming out with National Guard to bring the striking force back to work? Shoot everyone on the spot?
For those who fail to understand one essential aspect of collective bargaining: these 39K people can not be legally fired, laid off or anything along those lines.
Theoretically, they can be kept out for three days short of forever, though. What this means in the real world remains to be seen, since no strike has lasted for longer than 9 months in the history of the phone company...and this one is highly unlikely to break that record.
@H4k4vjM-1ekk I love to watch the faces on d^ck licking managers like this when they get bounced from the house and riffed. It is sick, but it is fun. No one deserve it more than a-holes like them.
Their strategy is that they've told the union repeatedly that they can't put more cost into a business unit that has shrinking revenue and heavily shrinking profits
Did they just announce Fios in Boston?
Their strategy is that they've told the union repeatedly that they can't put more cost into a business unit that has shrinking revenue and heavily shrinking profits. They've made that very clear over, and over, and over again. The union leadership either doesn't get it or is so financially unskilled that they are unable to understand the financial statements.
Verizon is not coming back to the table with any more proposals, so the strikers had best be floating their resumes around and looking for another if they aren't planning to cross the picket line. May 20 is the apparently "D Day" and there are new rumors flying around that it might be even sooner.
"Yes, a telecommunications company may want to let Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Wasington DC go.... not much business opportunity there.... not a lot of need for data, voice, video there.... not many people over on that barren desert called the East Coast...."
Indeed.
Not to mention that if Frontier was willing to shell out $10.5B for TX, FL and portion of CA (AT&T has a part of that state as well), VZ's Eastern footprint is worth a lot more...no one walks away from $20B+ just because they don't feel like dealing with unions, not even McAdam...
Having said that, it's not going to be a picnic for either side. Not by a long stretch.
Yes, wrote the oh-so-erudite internet poster: "Verizon may just let the Eastern Regions go...."
Yes, a telecommunications company may want to let Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Wasington DC go.... not much business opportunity there.... not a lot of need for data, voice, video there.... not many people over on that barren desert called the East Coast....
How can people fathom the idea that Verizon can just simply walk away from their commitments with their fios and copper networks just to burn their unions?
I think what bek meant was that Verizon is willing to let the Eastern Region fall to ruin if it means getting rid of the CWA. The company no longer needs to push the union out the door. They walked out all on their own.
"And your asking where it will go?"
Exactly.
Verizon can't simply push the union out the door on its own. There are labor laws still in place all over the area that would prevent them from doing so. There's a variety of things that VZ can legally do, but that's not one of them. And none of the things that can be done on VZ's part qualify as "letting the Eastern Region go".
So the question still stands. And the insults on their own do not qualify as an answer.
Youre information is incorrect. The company is willing to talk/negoatiate at any time, it's the union that is refusing.
Lies won't help your position.
bek posted, "They will let the Eastern Region go if it means no more CWA." And your asking where it will go? I think you've proven vwc's point.
"You guys are just beyond stupid."
How about you actually prove us stupid by answering the question previously posted?
Where is VZ's East portion going?
This company has become one of the most anti-American companies in the nation.
The company is desperate to make themselves look good. They have to run ads. They also have to put massive signs outside their wireless stores letting people know they're open, because the union is effectively doing what we needs done. People need to take a step back and detox from the VZ kool-aid for a minute.
The company is running ads asking CWA to get back to fair bargaining
@yvd..what are you actually "checking," because we are getting union bargaining updates, so clearly they are willing. You all see 1 side and think it's accurate. It's comical how naive people on here are in believing everything they see/hear/read from the company. I think the company has proved being a shadow of a doubt that their leaders are clueless wastes, yet you STILL believe what they put out.
"Go where?" "...look at the ads any other way that is said in the ad." You guys are just beyond stupid.
efp , and lose the sale? That is an ignorant statement made by a 2 year old.
bek You are wrong . The public has no reason to look at the ads any other way then what is said in the ad. How do you expect the consumer to see this issue the way you do? The consumer is what really counts, not you.
"They will let the Eastern Region go if it means no more CWA."
Go exactly where?
Last time I checked, the CWA and IBEW are not will to talk.
Wishful thinking wpb but you are wrong. If you don't see those adds for what they really are then Verizon is winning. They will let the Eastern Region go if it means no more CWA.
Would love to see where people get their information from.
Wrong......The company is running ads asking CWA to get back to fair bargaining. The company will evaluate their 2 week position, and take it from there. The customers are getting abused in this strike, and it's going to spill over into all parts of Verizon business. You can't just shut down Boston, New York, Philadelphia and Washington DC and expect business as usual. Verizon miscalculated the Installation, repair and maintenance of their Fiber network. The EWA staff just cannot get to the performance levels of the permanent technician. Their customers are fleeing in droves, and it's only going to get worse.
True about the strategy. But that one has actually been in place for well over a year now. The things have changed dramatically over the past 18 months or so. Completely new game on VZ's end, and a very difficult one to fight against from the union's standpoint.
CWA/IBEW had no choice but to walk. Whether they've done it at the right time is a whole different matter. Accepting the new contract as proposed by the company would've cost them half of their membership in these states within the next year, with more to follow...not to mention that getting it ratified in its current form would be a non-starter pretty much anywhere.
My best guess is that it's going to be a long hot summer for everyone involved. And no, I don't have any "insider" info that I'm basing this statement on.
I don't see the company letting it go further. I don't see them driving down the sale price if that's what they intend to do. When your in as much debt as Verizon the bottom line counts.