Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Info I have gathered, yes I was also laid off. Take it or leave it..

Team members are notified during a meeting with their manager only. HR is NEVER present for these discussions. EVER. After that meeting with the manager, a Fedex package will be shipped overnight or second day from the Displacement Services team to TM's home address if they do not have your personal email address. NEVER does the package get sent/emailed prior to the conversation with the manager. EVER.
Remember, if you are over 40, your employer must allow you:
• at least 21 days to review an offer if you were terminated individually, or
• at least 45 days to review an offer if you were terminated as part of a larger layoff.
Either way, you have seven days to revoke your agreement to the settlement offer even after you have signed it.
Wells Fargo uses a company called “The Work Number” for severance and checking to see if u got a job.
WARN requires 60 days’ notice if an employer has 100 or more and is planning on laying off 50 or more in one location. So, in a general sense, 60 days is not required by law for all. Like a lot of companies, though, WF makes it easier by just applying a blanket 60 days to every situation and then stipulates if all, some, or none of that requires the employee to actually do any work.
During those 60 days, you are not prohibited from seeking employment or leaving on your own, and you actually can still get fired for misdeeds that contradict WF policies. So, you're not tied at all and can still hunt for a job. If you find one in that period, you can report it back to the company (effectively resigning and forfeiting salary continuation) or keep it quiet and double-dip. After the 60-day period is up if you let the company know that you found a job with benefits, you can get a lump sum of the remaining salary continuation period. Before 60 days there is no lump.
But here is where i do like Wells. All they "owe" me is a 60 day notice of job loss if my layoff meets the terms of WARN, and nothing more. But by not having to work those 60 days and also getting the extra 26 weeks after that they are helping in a bad situation, or I can move on immediately if I wanted to.
We (managers) all go thru "Layoff training" (it’s in learning center, and you can take the course too).
Generally speaking, you are given a script and there are guidelines of what you can and cannot say.

You are offered the booklet with documents to sign (and don’t sign until you talk to a lawyer).
There is usually a package offered. Most people sign immediately because they do not understand that this bank is in hot doo doo and it's the first offer to make you go away quietly.
If you lawyer up - ya, it costs money, but very worth it - you can turn a 6 months' severance package into a 12 months' severance package by having counsel manage communications with the bank for you.
The LAST thing this bank wants right now with all this regulatory scrutiny is press catching wind of a legal case against the bank for some kind of employment law issue.''
You have about 45 days to sign before you lose benefit.
And if you are in a protected class (race, color, religion, s-x (including pregnancy, se-ual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, age (40 or older), disability) and given notice of termination, you have even MORE legal rights.
Anyone facing a layoff - hire a lawyer. You might pay $2000 or $3000 in legal costs, but you can end up with over $40,000 more in your severance package than what was first offered.
Remember that in life EVERYTHING in business is negotiable. If the bank can afford to pay chainsaw over $20,000,000 per year, they can afford to pay you a better severance package.
Quick Tips to survive Wells Fargo layoffs

  1. Keep a detailed personal file regarding your work activities and put in it

everything that comes up that seems out of sorts etc. We will use the information
in your file to build a case against your employer in the event you are terminated.

  1. NEVER sign any agreement presented to you at work until you have it

reviewed by an employment attorney. Many people do not think about the future
impact these agreements will have on them, as they just want the job in the present.

  1. ALWAYS attempt to negotiate every agreement presented to you.
  2. ALWAYS request a termination for cause when you get hired. If you do not,

your employer will assert you are an at-will employee with no protections against
termination. You have the right to request additional job protections from your
employer.

  1. ALWAYS determine if your company has a severance plan and not a policy.

You need to know what is available on the backend in case you are terminated and
you will need income to transition between jobs

  1. NEVER sign a non-compete agreement and if forced to sign one demand

substantial money for signing it. We admonish employers who force these stupid
self-serving agreements on all employees and we are successful in removing many
of them.

  1. NEVER sign a severance agreement that contains a non-compete clause for the

first time. If you never had one before, never restrict your ability to find the right
job for you. Contact a lawyer and they will make sure the non-compete is removed from the severance agreement.

  1. ALWAYS ask for a year and a half of severance and negotiate your way down.
  2. ALWAYS document your side of the facts in every performance improvement

plan. You can use an email or word document or both. Do not accept the
employer’s statement that you cannot submit a response in their system.

  1. PIPs (Performance Improvement Plans) are used to terminate your

employment and no one ever survives them. Wake up and realize you are being
sandbagged by your employer.

  1. Remember to watch for the “writing on the wall” that your employer may be

setting you up for termination. Many people ignore the initial signs in hopes they
can improve the working relationship. You would be better served speaking to an
employment attorney to conduct a severance negotiation on your behalf and
conducting a new job search on company time.

  1. ALWAYS negotiate a severance agreement and never sign one without do so

using an employment attorney, either directly with the employer or behind the
scenes.

  1. No, your employer cannot ask your age during a job interview, it’s illegal.
  2. When you become sick or injured, always request FMLA leave, plus a

reasonable accommodation in the form of a “paid disability leave” under the ADA,
and file a claim for short term disability benefits- ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

  1. NEVER confide in Human Resource personnel, they are not friends, and have

a legal duty only to the employer. But if you need to file a complaint with HR, do
it in writing via email; emails are time and date stamped for record keeping
purposes.

  1. ALWAYS ask a trusted colleague for a job reference and get something on a

letterhead before you leave.

  1. If you file for unemployment but have yet to sign a severance agreement, do

not answer the question on the unemployment application that you have received a severance.

  1. Only disclose your physical or mental disability until after you have been

hired, if at all, but never before.

  1. If you are fired for cause by your employer or you quit your employment,

you are not entitled to unemployment or severance benefits.

  1. ALWAYS hire an employment lawyer and do not second guess yourself. The Investment will be worth the return.
  2. Packages are being offered to SOME (not all) people who satisfy the "Rule of 60". If your age plus your years of service adds up to 60, you MIGHT be getting a package.
  3. Being offered to a SMALL number of people. This is very limited in scope, and is being done for the purposes of generating metrics, so that if they later offer packages to larger numbers of people then management will have a better idea of what percentage of those people will accept the package or not.
  4. There are market locations for expansion and there are others for core. They have been listed here before and change all the time it seems:
  5. Atlanta

Boston
Charlotte
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Des Moines
India
Los Angeles
Minneapolis
New York Metro
Philly
Phoenix
Portland
Raleigh
Richmond
Salt Lake
San Antonio
San Francisco
St Louis
Washington, DC
Winston

  1. The 401k match is on December 15th.

Last but not least, they laid me off at the age of 61 in Tech. I had a tad bit more than 7 months on severance. I lawyered up, that ended up me getting 14 and a half months of severance. I ended up ahead on the deal. Yes, it took more work as its really easy to sign on the dotted line but was worth it and fast. I mean it wasn't like I was doing anything during my 60-day notice, so wtf I thought. I also live in a state that allowed me to double dip with SS while getting severance.
Good luck all

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Post ID: @OP+1t1TyF7O

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So has anyone actually done this with wells Fargo specifically and gotten anything?
If so, what was the steps? What was sent and to whom?

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Post ID: @6cij+1t1TyF7O

It’s hard to find a good employment law attorney though - they mostly represent corporations or businesses..

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Post ID: @1itl+1t1TyF7O

Y'all is true, lawyer up!! My friend got double her severance once she got a lawyer.

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Post ID: @1uue+1t1TyF7O

I'm the org poster, not a lawyer you ding do-g. I gathered all this info from this site over the last 6 years, copied and pasted info sent from my lawyer, WF and took tons of notes. And let's say I was a lawyer, which I'm not, how in the F would I be able to gain work from this goofy site?
Of course, you haven't heard of that kookie algorithm they supposedly use to can people close to retirement; do you think any company is going write that down. Is it fact, heck if I know, I pulled it from this site years ago from different posts. But hey, I was a top performer in the area I work and there were only a few of us. The other lackies had been quiet quitting for years and were 2/3's my age. but guess who got canned, the old guy.
Oh, and one more tidbit, supposedly, and it's been written on this site numerous times, WF does not do the layoffs. It's a third-party company, no favoritism, etc. Saves their a-s in case some people really lawyer up. Some speculate it's Mckenzie.
My partner worked at EY for almost 20 years in a leadership role, they also used a third-party company to run the numbers when they needed to lay people off. And the amount of people older than younger was always skewed. But when you get laid off at WF, you will get a nice document outlining all the people who were also laid off in your field, their title (kind of) and their age.
And let's put one more bit out there. Yes, the infamous Tuesdays are the big layoff days, no there are not bloodbaths because WF HR and the third-party consultant company they use the day after you get canned to go over the documents, etc.. can only handle 1200 max per 2 weeks. But the position in tech I was in, where certain people in IT have the ability to ZZ people, layoffs happen every day of the week.
Thats its, I'm out.

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Post ID: @1etj+1t1TyF7O

@wez+1t1TyF7O Can’t use legal benefits on personnel matters with employer.

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Post ID: @bxy+1t1TyF7O

Funny how the ARAG legal benefit seems to cover about 1,000 things however employment/labor law isn't one of them.

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Post ID: @ggo+1t1TyF7O

Let me just add that...

  1. Mental health issues qualify for FMLA so if you are diagnosed with depression you can apply for FMLA. With that said, you can still be laid off during FMLA but they cannot fire you .
  1. In most states you can still receive unemployment benefits if you were let go for performance. Most people think you can receive benefits only if you were laid off, not true. The only times you can't is when you were let go for cause i.e. policy violation or breaking the law like s-xual harassment or embezzlement. Double check with your local employment agency.
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Post ID: @fjp+1t1TyF7O

@wez+1t1TyF7O - the legal plan won't help with claims against WF

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Post ID: @npw+1t1TyF7O

I call BS.

This whole screed reads like an 'employment lawyer' trolling for work..........

When I got my ticket punched, I qualified for the 'rule of 80', never heard of this 'rule of 60' nonsense. Didn't care either, wf was nice enough to send me off with a 14 month all paid and insured vacation to decide what to do next!

and I decided I liked doing nothing.

Ta Da! Cheers!

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Post ID: @doo+1t1TyF7O

Wow, great post. Thanks for sharing. I will take the course in Develop You.

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Post ID: @ruu+1t1TyF7O

Thank you for all of the information. It confirms much of the info I've heard/read before, and introduces some new stuff I didn't know before.

I'd never thought about negotiating severance pay with the help of an attorney. I signed up for that legal assistance insurance a few years ago, but haven't had to use it. Maybe I'll use it now and get my money's worth.

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Post ID: @wez+1t1TyF7O

Why obligation does Wells have to even give you a severance, let alone more than what they would give others? This sounds like you are advocating people to try and fleece them out of spite. I hate this company but they aren't required to do any of that. It wouldn't be a PR issue either if they offer severance and you're like "Nuh uh, more money pwease!". That's on you, not them.

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