Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

I can’t see how they could enforce you to be in the office a full 8 hours considering the allow others not to be. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Whatever the hybrid policy is, it needs to apply company wide, not based on the fact that you may or may not have a micromanager that is on a power trip.

"Let’s take the other direction. What were your work hours pre Covid?"

Alot more than 8 most days, some less than 3, a few here and there not at all. Accomplished while WFM for 2 decades.

My shot in the dark guess? Your manager thinks a policy to enforce number of hours in-office is coming down the pipe, and before that can happen they’ll need reporting built out to track it. No, they won’t be able to fire anybody for not staying all day before the new policy was announced, but they’re still going to be able to see those who weren’t staying all day, and your manager might be worried it’s going to make him look bad.

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You can go F yourself right along with Shart. RTO has NOTHING to do with work. Zero. It's inefficient dinosaur bs that will result in all of us being downsized/contracted/outsourced. It's no longer competitive to waste money on buildings and in the information age location is completely irrelevant for the vast majority of jobs. But keep on st-----g Charlie and telling us how going back to buggy whip making is the only way to a secure future for this company. Just do so knowing that he can't wait to downsize YOU.

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CEO ordered us to stand around the water cooler soooo....

It must be a WRITTEN POLICY for them to enforce it with grounds for termination. We are not there yet

@qzd+1qwqGHw3 We know who the c-section baby who's parents let him cry himself to sleep every night.

@zej+1qwqGHw3

Nah, if they wanted, they could figure it out via IP address. Would be very clean though which would cause issues. Not every building has badge readers.

Well what is frustrating is not everyone has to follow the same rules. I’m on a scrum team with ppl who still do not need to come in regularly while others are in a half day and some are in a full day. So yeah I can see why people would get frustrated if they are having to come in while others on the same team do not…..especially since most people are not even in the same city as any team members so it is pointless anyway.

Not sure what people are referring to by ‘insubordination’. There hasn’t ever been any official HR policy regarding how many hours are required in office for RTO. Just look around you- you’ll see plenty of people popping in and then going home to WFH

AI cameras coming soon. They will track your every move. Time spent in the RESTROOM, WATER COOLER, CAFE, ETC will be deducted

If you don’t like it- look for work elsewhere. I can’t believe after 2 years you are still griping about this cr-p. If your manager wants you there full days- they have the right to ask that. Managers are required 4 days and employees will be expected to do the same before Q2

Meanwhile, many have already been doing this for the past two years (including myself)... Cry a river!

I don’t think there’s ever been any official guideline on how many hours in office constitutes a ‘day in the office’ for RTO. Pretty sure it’s left up to each business line but as others have said not sure it’s even trackable at this point.

the only way they could accurately track hours would be to install and require badge outs at each location entrance. you badge in when you arrive and then they take the max of your badge outs for the day.

I don’t even know that the reporting is sophisticated enough to track hours in office. At least the reporting I’ve seen had nothing on hours

hours are not being tracked, you badge in or log in from an office and you get counted. some groups have guidance around how many hours they want you in office, but hard to enforce if you aren't in the same office as your manager or working the same days. There was nothing stopping you from coming in and leaving early pre COVID. and the number of hours you need to be in office doesn't need to be in the handbook, it's one of those things where you do what your told. Let's say you currently start working each day at 9am, your manager could tell you tomorrow they want you to start work each day at 5am, can't really say to them show me the policy that says I need to start at 5. the policy is you do what your told. if you don't like it you know where the door is

You might have had a better argument than trying to pull out some weird entitled "show me the policy in the handbook" BS.

You sound like a tu-d.

Blah, blah, blah…. Every week people post $hit on this site and very few if any end up happening, with the exception of layoffs.

8 is great ;O

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Yes! The amount of Senior Managers and Directors who are Remote, is crazy.

@oxy+1qwqGHw3 bootlicker mentality. Hudson Yards wants more of you

"Most companies are now RTO. Only WF employees are complaining. Says a lot about the people they hire."

Also says a lot about you.

Are they even tracking hours in the office? I’ve seen the reporting dashboard and it is only a binary indicator (either in-office or not)

Most companies are now RTO. Only WF employees are complaining. Says a lot about the people they hire.

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Yeah, just like it was with anyone who resisted 8 is Great, right? When the executives are wrong, st-----g their Ds isn't the answer. THEY are the source of 100% of this company's scandals and failures. We earn all that profits, not them. Who's the problem again? FHY.

Not sure they can even force exempt employees to work a specific/minimum number of hours in the office, even under the guise of insubordination.

its the FRTOers that will cause 5 days in office

@feg+1qwqGHw3

Before and during COVID I was WFH and did 50 hours a week. Since RTO I work 40, and drive around town for 3-4 hours for no reason. #u-k every single POS in Hudson Yards.

My team was told 6 hours 3x/week although I don’t think it’s based off any official policy. I go get lunch sometimes and people are leaving at 11:00 am, so it’s different for every team. I also know some lucky people who still only have to come in 1x/week or for meetings only. Also there are lots of people who are still remote including the leaders who are forcing RTO. It’s definitely a mess all around.

Calm down… Op isn’t saying they are only working 4 hours a day, or that 4 hours is a full work day. Many like me go into the office for less than 8 hours, but work the remaining hours at home. The post insinuates that they are now required to be in the office a full 8 hours for it to count as RTO day.

Let’s take the other direction. What were your work hours pre Covid? 8 hours? Show in print where that changed with RTO? Why on earth do you think 4 hours is a full work day? I don’t like RTO but the OP is exactly the reason we will lose 3/2. Look at the job postings. Many are showing 4 in/1 wfh.

There is no point of any posts like this other than hopefully making the OP and those commiserating feel better in the short term but probably doing more harm in the long run carrying that anger. Those in any level of power will always make choices which those lower in the food chain disagree with in some way.

RTO is no big deal.

This is true from the smallest food truck owner to Global Mega Corp CEO.

Look up insubordination. It’s there. They say come in for x hours = insubordination.

Can they enforce something that's not a policy? I didn't think so. It has to appear somewhere, employee handbook, etc., right? Stand your ground, unless You're given something in writing. Meanwhile, download a copy of the handbook and print it out.