Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

I guess we’re all going to let Charlie & Co pick us off one by one, huh?

Reuters

If you want to understand why the United Auto Workers union has evidently won its strikes against Detroit’s Big Three, it helps to return to the work of a 20th-century economist named Richard Lester.

Lester, a longtime Princeton professor, coined a phrase to describe wage negotiations between an employer and a worker: the “range of indeterminacy.” It captures the fact that wages are not a reflection simply of market forces, like a worker’s productivity or a company’s profits. In the real world, similar workers often earn different wages. Their wages fall somewhere in Lester’s range of indeterminacy.

Why? Most workers don’t know exactly how valuable their contributions are and therefore what their true market wage should be.

Company executives typically don’t know either, but the executives do have more information — about how much money different workers make and how productive each is. Employers also have more leverage. Companies employ many workers, and losing one of them is usually manageable. For most workers, by contrast, quitting over a pay dispute can create financial hardship.

For these reasons, workers’ pay often settles at the low end of the range of indeterminacy. In the relationship between an employer and an individual employee, the employer has more power. But there is an important adjective in that previous sentence: individual.

When employees band together, they can reduce the power imbalance. They can share information with one another and exert some leverage of their own on the bargaining process. A business that can afford to lose one worker over a pay dispute may not be able to lose dozens.

Of course, there is a term for a group of workers who come together to increase their bargaining power: a labor union.

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Post ID: @OP+1pmWGHPd

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Why do you think we will get automatic pay raises? some will get pay caps until others catch up to them.
Also ever hear of union dues? You could put that money into your 401k and have a secured pension instead of counting on the union to invest your money wisely.
And lets not forget seniority in the union.
Some jerk with 12 years sitting on there posterior not doing their work gets paid the same as you working hard every day. And then when layoffs come, they get rid of you cause the other person has seniority.
Unions are not a panacea, they have people in them who act just like the jerks we have in management today who only think of themselves.
Take control of your career and keep always looking for the next skill and job opportunity. The days of staying with a company for 50 years and being appreciated is over.

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Post ID: @1tms+1pmWGHPd

I'm telling you, I'm getting the f off and there is a reason why I'm getting the f off and everyone can either believe it or they cannot believe it, I don't give two f. But I am telling you right now, that mf, that mf back there is not real. And you can sit in this office and you can die with them or not, I'm not going to.

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Post ID: @alz+1pmWGHPd

Yet another call to unionize building off false fears. In this industry unionizing won’t do anything beneficial for the average worker and will be outstandingly detrimental to those at the scale end of $125k and +. We make money off money and those personal bankers and others who generate income wouldnt have it. And I wouldn’t think poorly of them for it.

  • Churros
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Post ID: @trh+1pmWGHPd

Just look at all the successes that other bank in CA is benefitting from by moving Union.

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Post ID: @onj+1pmWGHPd

everyone should apply for external jobs every few years, through the interview process, and hopefully get an offer. you don't have to accept or want to move but it forces you to keep your resume updated, improve interview skills. and know what your market value is

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Post ID: @pwe+1pmWGHPd

If the union was all-in on WFH, I'd consider supporting one. Otherwise I have no need for one.

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Post ID: @mmt+1pmWGHPd

SVP here. We are all well compensated and satisfied with how Wells Fargo has been treating us. You staff employees need to stop this union madness and focus on your duties.

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Post ID: @gnl+1pmWGHPd

@urf $900 per vehicle at $48,000 for the average price of a new vehicle in the US means the workers get a 30% pay raise for a customer price increase of 1.875%

OH EM GEE THE HORROR!!!!1!

THE SKY IS FALLING!

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Post ID: @kzk+1pmWGHPd

I’m “well compensated” and I’m all for unions. We need a stronger voice and to flex the power that we collectively have. I’m sick and tired of the narcissistic sociopaths populating the OC, enriching themselves as everyone else has to give and do more with less. In my 20+ years, I’ve seen the cash balance plan go away, paid parking go away, recognition events go away, HMO option go away, corp cell phones go away, STAR assignments go away. Every step of the way was partnered with gaslighting to tell us it was “for us”. I was born in the dark, but it wasn’t last night.

If we the peon employees weren’t here, there would be no company to enrich themselves with, but they know they are playing with our lives and that we will cave because we need the money and benefits our job provides. It’s cruel and unfair. A union would provide more power to us. We can’t do it all by ourselves in our individual LOB, but collectively we can. And should.

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Post ID: @kev+1pmWGHPd

Info from a few posts back (let’s make this HAPPEN).

https://betterbanks.org/wfwu

Wells Fargo Workers United
We are Wells Fargo employees forming a union to improve our working conditions; 
making a better Wells Fargo for workers & customers.

Proper Staffing
We need adequate staffing levels to reduce stress levels, enable humane workloads and set attainable performance metrics.

Better Pay
We want a fair raise for ALL employees commensurate with the 30% increase to the starting minimum wage.

Work Life Balance
We demand safe and flexible work arrangements along with time-off benefits that recognize all of our needs, duties and responsibilities.  

Respect
Respect our right to organize an independent voice at work free from fear of retaliation or harassment.

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Post ID: @czq+1pmWGHPd

It's not 1920, we have many ways to determine what out labor is worth these days. There's this thing called Google...

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Post ID: @szk+1pmWGHPd

Lawler said the UAW deal, if ratified by members, is going to add $850 to $900 per vehicle assembled.

Detroit died a long time ago, and unions had a heavy hand in ki-ling it.

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Post ID: @urf+1pmWGHPd

So, everyone makes the same mediocre salary regardless of skills, talent and work ethic? No thanks.

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Post ID: @iox+1pmWGHPd

OP, excellent post. Couldn't agree more.

You just need to be ready for the replies from all the Stockholm Syndrome folks that plug their ears and close their eyes while they chant "union bad! union bad!"

These are people that don't want a pension and want to continue seeing their job security and benefits eroding every year. They've been duped into thinking that they're 'successful' (they're not), therefore they don't need a union.

Or, they'll say that unions only apply to lower skilled roles.

I'm not lower skilled, have an income comfortably in the 6 figures, and would love to see WF unionize.

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Post ID: @imp+1pmWGHPd

100% we need to unionize. It’s a vampire economy. The top feeds off the rest of us and gives nothing but scraps (if we’re lucky) in return. Charlie makes 400 times more than Wells Fargo’s lowest paid employees. What does he do? I didn’t see him take a pay cut to insure our wages kept up with inflation. We’re constantly asked to sacrifice for the company and shareholders, but where’s the C Suite’s sacrifice? Do they worry about out of control rent or interest rates and housing costs that make homeownership out of reach for a large segment of their employees? Do they care? There’s strength in numbers. Together we go far. Together we can hit the breaks to.🤷🏻

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