Does this sound familiar?
To avoid the financial, psychological, and legal costs associated with forcing people out, some companies may intentionally create a hostile work environment that encourages people to leave voluntarily.
https://hbr.org/2022/11/are-you-being-quiet-fired
Rand and stank been doing it for decades.
yeah, they're firing people, but it's not quiet....
I call it the kiss slap routine. it leaves you dazed and confused at first, later you just don’t care either way
"Mandatory job relocations, for many no permanent seating, at drop in desks daily trying to find a desk to work from and when you do find a desk hoping it has all of the needed equipment you need to perform your work, etc"
That sums it up. People talk about RTO, as practiced by ATT, as if it were the normal way of working. It's not. I've been in the software industry for decades, and have never worked in a situation where you didn't have an assigned seat or asked to "colloborate" with people that you don't even work with. It's crazy. And all of the talk about somehow the "colloboration" with random people at a large company produces anything meaningful is just BS and a waste of the company's resources. Software developers don't function well in the RTO conditions that ATT have established, and that's just a fact.
"But generally, there should be no surprise firings. An employee should be under a letter that indicates what is wrong, and what they have to do to fix it."
In at leastsome states, maybe most, there doesn't have to be a reason to end employment. Surplus is different than being fired I suppose but end result is the same. There is a vague script managers provide employees if they ask why they were picked for surplus. So in theory, I don't think it's common practice here to give employees advice on what they need to change to guarantee they can keep their jobs.
Working in Corporate America you always have to look over your shoulder for the next downsize or reorganization.
After nearly 40 years, if I could do it all over again (and you can't) I would have chosen another more independent career path.
They have well established and entrenched processes to avoid wrongful discharge suits. Part of the process is warning letters, unless the employee does something stupid, like not report to the office, which is job abandonment. Insubordination is up there too.
But generally, there should be no surprise firings. An employee should be under a letter that indicates what is wrong, and what they have to do to fix it.
Actually it’s the younger and non-pension employees that are heading for the door. So all these policies are having the unintended consequence of reducing the younger workforce that Stink wants to get. Nobody worth anything is going to stick around for this.
Quite hostile, with that RTO and taking away doing my personal business during the day.
You gotta love all the sacred cattle at at&t. They believe they are above the law and will never be targeted for layoff! Legends in their own minds, Stankey will fix your wagon!
Stankey couldn't fix a sandwich without going into debt.
Just informed I was suspended without pay because I had 8 lines last year that aren’t being used by a customer and now I’m in trouble. They called it no usage or zero usage lines, something like that.
My question is how long can I be suspended for?
3 months? 6 months?
I lived through many downsizing in the 90’s. Some got me promoted as I was like the only one left after people took packages. Finally made it to C band but then got demoted when AT&T got bought out in early 2000’s. It was a yearly occurrence. Finally left a year ago. And yes, I do waste my team reading this forum (as I know some will ask)
Making me do actual work. Being hostile.
Spending the rest of your employment with T looking over your shoulder every day for the surplus call sounds like a great way to live.
That they are doing.
I'm one of those 60+ year olds with 40 years service who goes to work fully knowing all the ropes, routines and ramblings to slide thru each work day with minimal effort or concern while choosing to not accept stressful burdens on my neck, back, shoulders or mind - fully understanding how quickly and easily I can and will be replaced via automation and offshoring. I'm simply hoping that happens soon and I'll be happy to take the termination package and retire. I'm just hoping that happens before a strike or reduction of the termination package - which may likely happen.
why wouldn't they want quiet fires. They pretty much do every combination possible of getting people to leave.
Unfortunately, the Stink hasn't left.
You can't quiet fire me. I already quiet quit.
Say what you want about the new generation of younger folks, but I’ll give them this, they ain’t with the bull$hit. A lot of the T bs that a 40 year old w/ 20 years service or a 60 year old with 40 years service puts up with won’t be tolerated by the younger crowd. They’ll be out the door and gone, and it’ll be wash, rinse, repeat for T.
Stankey wants a new young workforce that he knows he can bully to get his way. The older employees at T know his shtick, and are not having any of it. Stankey has no credibility with the seasoned employees, but don't expect the new employees to feel any different after they have been here awhile.
40 years, that makes you on Stankey’s list of undesirables, you are a boomer and over 50, good thing you retired. He only wants new young employees that are easily brainwashed to his toxic management methods. The old successful ways of running a business with merit, competence, training and team building are out. Discriminatory DEI, ESG and ERG are the new ways to run a business.
We are all like the boardwalk game of the ducks going round & round, just waiting for who will take the next hit.
Disgraceful culture, absolutely disgraceful! I managed to survive 40 years with this company, but it was because T offered VTPs during that time and the most senior technician would always take the offer, thus, leaving lower seniority people unscathed!
“ Your whole career with T is spent trying to dodge the pendulum.”
A more accurate statement has not been made on this board.
It’s like they hire you, and immediately start trying to chase you out the door. Your whole career with T is spent trying to dodge the pendulum.
100% correct
Mandatory job relocations, for many no permanent seating, at drop in desks daily trying to find a desk to work from and when you do find a desk hoping it has all of the needed equipment you need to perform your work, etc
But the Stink so much enjoys creating a hostile work environment. That is the Stink's specialty. Stink is GREAT at it.
So the mentally ill megalomaniac remains.