Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

And I also heard that weeks with a holiday or a week that someone takes a PTO counts as compliant because it's too complicated for them to come up with a formula

"Everyone will be gone in 2024 outside of the two main hubs anyway. "

This is the d-mbest, most myopic, shittiest take I've heard today. Congratulations sir.

Hint: Stay home, but take 1 hour of PTO per day, for 3 days a week. Fake out the report to make it record you as “excused” for each of those days. You’re welcome.

This will only work if you have 30+ contractors under your manager.

People, it's not like there's a compliance robot monster out there enforcing the 3X office rule. And your org's AVP isn't sitting around drooling over the prospect of canning someone who misses a day.

It may be hard to admit, but these fools are also humans who likely give zero f**** about the details as long as you're making an honest effort (unless they specifically dislike you, of course). I know they're irritated with the 3X rule (just like us) and likely even more so that they have to monitor and play big brother.

If you miss a day, the AVP probably sees it, tells Director to get on you, he/she does that SUPER awkwardly during your next call, and everyone gets on with their lives.

But, I should mention, I do know the SVPs and above are loving how seriously you're all taking this.

JFC this company's priorities are out of whack.

Hint: Stay home, but take 1 hour of PTO per day, for 3 days a week. Fake out the report to make it record you as “excused” for each of those days. You’re welcome.

“ This is not a hard concept. There are 5 days in a work week. If you take 2 days of PTO, that means you have to go into the office for the remaining 3 days. If you take 4 days off, you have to go into the office for 1 day.

They are doing a horrible job of explaining it - go figure.”

Not according to my manager. I was told that I can count PTO days as office. Clear as mud but making PTO count as ‘home’ days can backfire. Over the holidays for example who the h-ll is going to come to a completely empty office because of this id--tic policy? Everyone who can will just take the whole week off.

This is not a hard concept. There are 5 days in a work week. If you take 2 days of PTO, that means you have to go into the office for the remaining 3 days. If you take 4 days off, you have to go into the office for 1 day.

They are doing a horrible job of explaining it - go figure.

I know of someone being spoken to based on a distinction about which office they went to which this report can't make.

From OP: I hadn't heard that. I do have one Virtual employee and he gets credit for his "once per month" visit regardless of what office he goes to.

if your team has a member with 5 days per week, does your team, on the summary, have essentially a surplus for the week thus someone with only 1 day is not impacting the "team score"?

Answer from OP: No, the summary View doesn't work like that. It counts that binary compliment/non-compliant status per person. Not the number of actual days. Let's say you have 10 direct reports and assuming no PTO across the board. Nine come into the office 4 times and one doesn't come in at all. The group score would be 90%.

How can we see individual report for self?

You can't. As a supervisor, I can see my direct reports but I cannot see data for myself.

This is so silly -- so if I take a week PTO, then I'm not compliant? How is that going to work over the holidays when entire groups are out of the office for extended periods?

"What is about to happen, to remove all confusion, since this is simply too complicated for leadership to manage…is: ALL office, ALL the time."
Can they do that?

When we asked, from our supervisor, in office presence means “in the office”. Therefore, PTO days do NOT count towards being in the office.

Anyone advising anything other than that regarding PTO, is sadly misinformed.

I wouldn’t expect PTO days to count as “in the office” days.

“ Our VP (ACE) stated emphatically that PTO counts as day in office”

So did ours.

Until they sent an email yesterday now saying that it doesn’t.

But check with your supervisor, wink wink.

What is about to happen, to remove all confusion, since this is simply too complicated for leadership to manage…is: ALL office, ALL the time.

You heard it here first.

Very helpful. So how much time and money was spent, I mean wasted, building this thing and how much time do L3s/4s waste poring over this to nail people?

Shows that where we work is more important than what is actually worked on.

Another at&t "failure to execute" but what else would we expect. They can't implement any program or process effectively. AT&T is the joke of all companies, wasn't always that way, has been ever since Stephenson and Stankey regimes.

Our VP (ACE) stated emphatically that PTO counts as day in office. Any day not specifically telecommuting (PTO, PCGL, in the field etc) is in office. If you took a PTO and then worked 2 days in offices those are your 3 days…not confusion at all when he made the statement on a regional town hall about 2 weeks ago.

if your team has a member with 5 days per week, does your team, on the summary, have essentially a surplus for the week thus someone with only 1 day is not impacting the "team score"

So in other words it’s a tool for them to use but it all depends on how they decide to use it.

You can’t just look at the tool and determine who is and is not compliant because it doesn’t account for PTO days.

You may have an AVP who cares and you may not.

What else would we expect from them?

How can we see individual report for self

Thank you OP.
That explanation is very helpful.

It's my understanding that there is some OTHER report that leadership looks at.

I know of someone being spoken to based on a distinction about which office they went to which this report can't make.

How they expect us to manage this when we as sups don't have the information they react to is beyond me.

Appreciate the detailed breakdown OP. Lots of misinformation floating about.

" My org has been told PTO days do not count as office days"

And Luong's group was "kind of" told the same in an email communication from him yesterday. With the "check with your supervisor" caveat.

And that's all well and good. But if I take 3 PTO days it is impossible to "comply" with 3 days in office.

Am I supposed to come in on Sat?

How is it that our leadership is SO INEPT that they cannot clearly roll out and implement a simple policy?

Gosh, If only we spent this much effort helping customers understand their AT&T bill.

My org has been told PTO days do not count as office days

"Why is anyone living outside of Dallas and Atlanta even returning to the office without a warning of being non compliant? Everyone will be gone in 2024 outside of the two main hubs anyway."

one word: Severance

but if severance is not at risk, let us know so we don't waste our days with this long commute

Why is anyone living outside of Dallas and Atlanta even returning to the office without a warning of being non compliant? Everyone will be gone in 2024 outside of the two main hubs anyway.