Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Wells Fargo’s approach to annual online Compliance training doesn’t work, and wastes approximately $2.5 Billion per year.

Problem: 200,000+ employees are each mandated to take 25 to 30 classes every year which, for the most part, have NO RELEVANCE to our jobs. Forcing a Mutual Funds back office clerk to take classes on annuities, bribing foreign officials and the Volcker Rule etc is a foolish and ineffective approach to reducing risk because the “training” is irrelevant to his/her work. This causes employees to disengage and mindlessly rush through the classes to get them over with. (I click through them while on Conference calls and then bluff my way through the Q and A)

Solution: Managers should be tasked with choosing targeted and relevant classes which pertain to their employees, and discard the rest. In other words - teach me what I need to know to be compliant with MY work and I will take it seriously. Flood me with extraneous bs and I will ignore it all. (Some classes are, obviously, for all employees such as diversity, ethics, protecting sensitive client information etc.)

Proof: We have been force-fed the same ridiculous classes for years - all through every regulatory scandal which put Wells Fargo under the Federal Asset Cap for nearly 6 years now.

Truth: Ethics start at the top. Our executives are who need the coaching to be strong ethical leaders. Without a strong culture of ethics, even the best compliance and ethics program is just window dressing. Ethical leaders can inspire employees to perform at their best. (Staff won’t feel as if they’re helping a corrupt C-Suite earn even more money; instead, they’ll see themselves as vital parts of the business’s operations and culture.)

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I was just in Bangladesh last week and there were all kinds of government officials asking me for gifts in order to award WF a big contract. So, I asked my pre-clearance toll free hotline for answers. They said they would check the regulations and will get back to me but they said I definitely need to be working in an office.

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Post ID: @3wzr+1oazmGZI

It is up to 25-30/yr in my function. Years ago it was barely noticeable 8-10. You can probably research a WF settlement to a lawsuit or regulation which directly ties to all the new trainings. Been with the company 20+ years and it steadily increased in past several years.

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Post ID: @3zcr+1oazmGZI

There are bigger problems for me than the training.

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Post ID: @2apl+1oazmGZI

As a VP, I do have additional trainings to complete, compared to the average employee.

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Post ID: @2tsn+1oazmGZI

200,000+ people are not taking 25-30 trainings a year. I maybe take half that, and if those, I take a pre-test on about half of them and I’m done in 10 mins.

I’ve never taken a training on annuities.

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Post ID: @2vrm+1oazmGZI

“As an officer of the bank” — like that means anything anymore

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Post ID: @2css+1oazmGZI

Compliance training, hence the word compliance, is a necessary evil of being in banking. I hate taking stupid classes as much as anyone, but as Nike says, just do it.

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Post ID: @2sqn+1oazmGZI

The biggest thing I learned is that you can ask a coworker out one single time and it doesn’t count as harassment

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Post ID: @1yuq+1oazmGZI

Are you saying they work? Or are you saying “just be an id--t and do what you’re told’”?

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Post ID: @1zpe+1oazmGZI

It is a regulatory expectation, ja----s. If you don’t like it, find a job that is not in the financial services.

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Post ID: @1yuq+1oazmGZI

One thing to keep in mind for the compliance tests is that one should take the pretest when offered. Anyone who is good with multiple choice can get some good results and avoid some of the training. Every so often one may get a 100 on a pretest and then avoid taking that compliance test altogether. But sure, so much of what we get tested on is irrelevant. But JPM and BOA and others have to do the same thing.

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Post ID: @lyo+1oazmGZI

I appreciate that you want to take the training. Maybe as an officer of the bank and,
thus, in a higher role - your manager might decide you should take all the available classes. Or you should have the option to take them if you want to.

I’m assuming you weren’t in HR back in 2016, but HR did nothing to protect the 5300 employees who were fired for failing to meet impossibly aggressive sales quotas and/or for being Whistleblowers. Someone, or some group, in HR who was processing all the terminations should have picked up on the pattern and asked questions. HR employees were taking all the annual Compliance classes back then too. In fact Wells Fargo just settled a class action lawsuit for misleading threats in the letters it uses to notify former workers of their right to remain on the company health plan - I’m assuming those came from HR?

Not coming after you at all - but it proves the point I was hoping to make which is that the annual compliance classes do nothing to prevent fraud when there are bad actors in higher levels of the bank. If you look at all of the accusations and settlements against Wells Fargo - none of them are the result of employees who don’t know better - they are the result of employees who were taking the classes but were bad actors or employees who were under the influence and pressure of bad leaders and bad incentives.

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Post ID: @1faa+1oazmGZI

Scintillating co-----l party banter from you my dear officer of the bank LOL

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Post ID: @1yrx+1oazmGZI

I dunno. I’m in HR and I really don’t mind the product and legal stuff. If I’m out and about I certainly feel like as an officer of the bank, I should be able to speak intelligently about, say, Dodd Frank or the Patriot Act if it somehow comes up.

Maybe it’s just me.

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Post ID: @lyo+1oazmGZI

don't blame wells, blame our regulators to making us take these.

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Post ID: @yhy+1oazmGZI

But does the government or SROs require every employee to take these classes regardless?

Technically, all employees may face bribes or gifts regardless of role. That's definitely a government requirement.

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Post ID: @ffr+1oazmGZI

Risk function is basically a scam. They make up BS requirements to create jobs for themselves. No one can challenge them. No one has oversight on what they spend and what the rest of the bank spends on their bs.

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Post ID: @pxr+1oazmGZI

After 2 decades of constantly taking this stuff, I probably know more about these rules and regulations than the people doing jobs that are actually relevant to them.

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