How many of you have gotten emails from your manager saying you are not going in min 3 days? How many times they warn you before getting on some naughty list?
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I work at a competitor bank and enjoy reading what others are going through in the industry. Be thankful your paid time off counts as an office day. Ours does not count. For example, if we take 2 vacation days or "PTO" days in a week (long weekend) we have to come into the office all 3 remaining days that week. If you are only working 2 days that week, you are expected to be in office both days. They are not checking time off so people are ending up on lists when they take legitimate time off and have to explain to HR they had vacation time scheduled.
they monitor badge ins AND network connections. This is because so many people tried to "fool" the system by having someone else badge in for them, or saying their badge/the card reader wasn't working.
There is no monitoring for hours.... yet.
They monitor BADGE INS ONLY... Go to the office, badge in.. Show your face for an hour, then leave.
They monitor over a running four week period. My Mgr said your not on the list unless your average is below 2.25.
4 hour PTO and holidays count as an office day.
They monitor badge in.... not how long your in the office.
It has nothing to do with competency and everything to do with economics. Cities are struggling to recover from the pandemic, yes some are coming back but not all. Banks make a lot of money from these buildings uptown and having them occupied and people spending money in these locations means more than productivity.
Yes, it su-ks to have to RTO but just know the driver behind it has nothing to do with your work ethic and everything to do with revitalizing the $$$ you bring when you are in these locations.
That would be such a di-k move to change the radius to 60 miles....There must be enough people in that position to make it worth it.
Why change from 40 to 60? No one wants to live in the S holes IDd as hubs? Just get rid of the stupid policy, preferably before the company fails.
I drove 25 miles to sit on the phone today. But don’t worry become I recycled the plastic water bottle I bought because I left my mug at home. So it all works out. Carbon offset.
The 60 mile thing is being talked about, I can confirm. Heard it from an exec in IRM
You don’t make the rules. Sorry.
I was working 5 days in the office and then years later they offered 2 days at home and I went with that. In other words, that is my current perspective and I am not willing to lose my job over not going in 3 days.
The FACT is that if you don't show for the 3 days, on average, you are just making it easier for your sup to let you go when that time comes around the thin the herd. Just sayin, ya know, bro?
Seriously heard they are considering changing the 40 miles to 60. Not kidding.
"If you come in, you let people see you being disgruntled and that can be written up."
lol, whatever. I've been driving to random building for over a year and haven't spoken with a single person beyond 'excuse me' or 'good morning' in passing. They have no idea if I'm disgruntled or not, what group I'm with or what my name is. Doubt a write up is coming any time soon. I go into an office, I close the door, I waste enough time to keep The Report happy, then I go do actual work in my home office. Rinse and repeat. Hudson Yards can ES and FO.
No. The Great RTO War will be won, it's a matter of time, and I want to be here when the worthless pieces of that foisted this upon us get the boot or have to reverse course. I'm not giving these disgusting human beings what they want. They are trying to drive attrition with their treachery, well, them.
Wells needs to reduce staff without having to pay severance. They hope that people will quit but when they didn’t, they write them up and then fires them. It makes dismissal with cause simple to prove in court. If you come in, you let people see you being disgruntled and that can be written up. Either way, Wells Fargo gets to reduce the hundreds of millions it was expecting in severance payouts. And as the other commenter said, being the only SME who knows something probably will not save you.
FRTO
@1wgx+1o5fAm8n —There were people who literally accepted offer letters on the condition of being a full time remote employee. Let’s say they now live within a 40 mile radius where they are told come in or lose your job. I know people who accepted their wells offer because it was best for their families to work remote (in this case their spouse travels alot and they had to pick up their kids at a certain time which has now become an issue as their boss expects certain hours). People make family decisions on what is in that offer letter.
Not going into an office when you were assigned one is different than signing an offer letter and expecting to be remote w your employment here.
I have to wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments expressed above. I was already deeply entrenched in the WFH long before COVID became a global phenomenon. It has always boggled my mind how companies continuously spend astronomical sums on brick-and-mortar office spaces, especially when we are in the thick of the digital era.
I believe, as adults, we have the capacity and discipline to manage our work schedules from the comforts of our homes or any location that suits our productivity. The notion that we need to be physically present in an office environment to be productive is an archaic one. WFH does not only offer the luxury of convenience but also has economic benefits, drastically cutting operational costs. Think about the massive savings on rents, utilities, and other related expenses!
Moreover, it's indisputable that the flexibility to work remotely enhances our potential to attract and retain top talents. A lot of invaluable professionals in the tech and financial sectors, especially the younger generation, highly prioritize work-life balance and flexibility. By being open to remote work, we tap into a broader talent pool that isn’t bound by geographical constraints.
However, if companies decide to obstinately adhere to outdated norms and practices, they risk alienating a large part of the workforce and hence, potential innovation. It's akin to shooting oneself in the foot. I refuse to stand by and watch this company be led down a path of mediocrity by individuals resistant to change. Embrace the future or risk obsolescence. It’s as simple as that.
@1rof+1o5fAm8n. Yes. Don’t RTO you will get reward with a nice package
while I have some sympathy for those who were 100% remote prior to RTO, things change, the terms of your employment changed. Company has every right to do it and if you don't like it you have the same right to change the terms of your employment and leave.
@1kxj+1o5fAm8n. Don’t come in and yet worry about getting ding. So brave!
Yeah act like an adult and do what you’re told! Wait, that doesn’t sound adult-like…
@1shx+1o5fAm8n - then leave! Have the guts to take control of your life. Don’t be a pathetic whiner. Enough already
I was WFH before COVID. The "adult" thing to do is stop wasting billions of dollars on useless relics of the past known as office buildings. It's the information age and we're not elementary school kids. WFH reduces risk/expenses significantly and it gives us an unbeatable advantage in recruiting and retention. All the talent in the financial industry and tech that's worth having would be ours.
Or we could doom ourselves to mediocrity by needlessly clinging to a failed approach. That's an option too I suppose, though I won't be getting in board with it. Not today and not ever. F the hacks destroying this company.
Whose giving you a paycheck? Follow the rules or move on … before Covid it was a 5 day in the office for most .. act like and adult or get out
FRTO, F it right in its stupid lying face. Personally, I go on, I just don't do any work while I'm on site. Go ahead,.run some productivity monitoring sh-t. I'm collaborating around the water cooler while on site, and do all my actual work at home.
Everyone that came up with this horsesh-t and everyone enforcing it should be fired.
OP if you are legit and your boss hasn't yet said anything - rest assured, it will get addressed.
THis is monitored at the enterprise level. If the manager doesn't do their job - then someone else will...
manager here - confirming what others have said on the thread.
If a manager doesn't do what they are supposed to (treat it as performance mgt issue) then the manager will be performance managed (down-out).
No manager is going to sacrifice themselves because some bozo on their team doesn't want to come into the office. None of us want to. Those are the rules and the terms of employment... and that's that.
A member of our team in Tech got notification for non-compliance directly from HR. Manager wasn’t notified. I’m using my PTO strategically to avoid 3 days when it hits next month. Not intending to FAFO.
You're so tough until you don't even have to work from home because you won't have a job.
News flash, you're already on a naughty list
Don’t come in. Find out for yourself and let us know. What are you afraid of?
I am going in. I don’t mind. The office is nice and clean.
Guy in our team was just laid off. Our boss was upset about it because he was a subject matter expert for our team. She told us she fought to keep him but his continued non-compliance to RTO sealed his fate and took the decision out of her hands.
RTO su-ks but losing a job over it is far worse
Manager of team of 30 … 2 people not hitting the 3 days, it was documented in their mid-year and will affect bonus. They have since started going in the minimum, otherwise informal warning and if behavior did not change, termination. That is what came down from my manager.
How many have gotten informal warnings?