Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

Yeah - PIP really means prepare inside your person to be fired. As soon as you see it - start looking for another job. Many many great performers at Vz and other places get them when they get too expensive, too inquisitive, do more work than their bosses, push back on bad decisions, fraud, failing products etc.

@OP There’s no shame in walking away from a bad situation without making a fuss! Persevering in the face of adversity is often overrated. You’d be fighting to keep your job in a company whose CEO boasts about having frequent, large scale layoffs!

I helped an employee dispute a PIP.

Unless things have significantly changed: your supervisor needed to have provided a minimum of 3 coaching sessions to maintain the PIP. At your next “PIP meeting,” ask what type of coachings you should expect, what topics, and how many. Read the PIP document very carefully. Anything they commit to, they are legally required to complete. If they fail to complete the coaching or anything they said they would do in the PIP to help you improve, you can dispute being on the PIP for failure of leadership to provide the necessary and promised support.

Also, check your metrics. Which one do they say you are low performing on? What performance trend have you had? If you fell within the bottom 10% for performance, it will be hard to argue against the validity, even if it was a one time thing. If you are above the bottom 10%, you can ask for them to provide explanation on why you’re in a PIP.

Hope this helps.

@bc because the boss is vindictive and unstable

I had someone that worked for me that I put on a PIP. They're performance improved as a result and we dropped the PIP after the defined improvement period. I dont know about dispute but it can be easy to "complete" one. That was years ago, when PIPs were designed to help improve performance... nowadays they seem to be a mechanism to lay people off. So take my post with a grain of salt I suppose.

@bc I think it is because the manager uses PIP to ruin somebody's career in the company. It is a very evil thing to do to an employee if it is not justified. I experienced it before working for a manager who is mentally unstable. the lesson I learned is, no matter how much you like the company and the work you do, it will not matter because putting you on PIP is a way for them to get rid of you, It is not meant to improve your performance.

It is better for you to start looking for a job externally and start a new life. it is unlikely that you will get a job internally because it will be on record and HR and your former manager will have to disclose that to the new manager. unless ofcourse you know the new manager well and they dont believe what is said about you.
But it is mental torture to keep working under those conditions. Also, you may end up not getting any severance. The company is on lay off mode. you will definitely be on the next list. you dont have much time, it is best to focus on finding a new job outside.

@bc To get you so p1ssed of that you do something stupid or violent. Then your unemployment and severance is in jeopardy. The truth.

Why would the company waste time with a PIP when monthly RIFs are happening?

If you get on a PIP, there is no chance to get out of it...Your best bet is to look out for another position internally or externally. The HR will always back your Supervisor / Manager / director. I know multiple employees that got laid off once they got on a PIP and they have no chance to ever come back again and they get blacklisted.

The only reason to do a PIP is because they want to get rid of you without having to pay you severance. I have seen one or two people beat a PIP, but in the end, they will still end up walking you out the door, with or without a severance. They will get you on the list for the next layoff or they will find another reason to get rid of you. A PIP doesn't happen in a vacuum. HR is involved and most likely your manager's manager knows about it and has ok'ed proceeding. There are a lot of checks and balances involved before moving to a PIP, so by the time it gets there, it's usually just a formality to get rid of you.

@OP PIP is like he---s. You have it for life

Sayonara

This topic keeps coming up. The short answer is that rightly or wrongly your boss, their boss, and the HRBP have decided to get rid of you and they’re using the PIP to document your “failures” so you won’t have a case for a wrongful termination lawsuit. Take the hint and focus your energy on landing another job and don’t waste your time trying to accomplish the goals listed in the PIP. They are designed for you to “fail”. Fair or unfair that’s the way it is.

https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@en+1m3vzs6c1

“Hardly anyone ever survives a PIP. If they put you on one, it means they’ve decided to manage you out of the business. You’ll either be laid off during the next round or terminated at a later date so put all your efforts into landing another job...”

Yes. I did. Had some coworkers go on leave and get fired so I was able to assist their customers and mine. Perfect timing

I got laid off after multiple years of leading and never being on a pip so you might as well get that resume ready..

The purpose of the PIP is to ultimately to have justification to fire you. The manager is documenting a case against you. Most of the time, it's not a performance thing. It's just that your manager does not want you on their team. If you prove the PIP is invalid, they will just come up with more things to write in your PIP. I previously worked for a manager that no one liked, and the people that actually supported her, she wrote them up on a PIP. She was a real d-mb-a-s. She (the manager) ended up quitting because she had no support from her team. It's very hard to challenge a PIP, it's your word against theirs, and HR will side with the manager over an employee. The Manager has a lot of tools they can deploy, time away from keyboard, lunch breaks, errors in work, etc. There is a quote, "If all you can see is mistakes, you will find them." Good Luck