Why are we still outsourcing jobs and hiring H-1B workers when thousands of Americans are being let go?
Isn’t AI supposed to help solve problems for Americans and remove dependence on cheaper foreign labor and solutions?
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You see no Indians among the winners of ACM programming contests and other major coding competitions. These competitions are dominated by competitors from China, Eastern Europe, and the United States. India has a strong presence in the tech but mostly good in call center and outsourcing.
AI is the tool, not the craftsman. It’s the pen, not the author. The instrument and not the musician. What we SHOULD be worried about is agentic AI which I’m just starting to understand. Someone please correct me but the “agent” is the part that can initiate work based on various commands. “Every Monday morning at 8:00 am, compare this to that and prepare a report for me and my manager in a way shows such and such”. AI is a vacuum cleaner in a world of push brooms; my worry is the housekeeper shows up uninvited.
@b5 and it's more than just the education system. I think it's more about the culture. There's this sense of entitlement and laziness. Kids want the easiest way out be it an "influencer" or just waiting on something to fall in their lap. Some of that could be attributed to parents as well.
India still has the culture of scrappiness and you need to fight for bread crumbs. That's a lot of motivation.
Look how butt-hurt racist Indian-haters get when their sub-literate screeds are punctured with facts.
Think it's bad now, wait another 20 years. None of the young will know spelling or grammar at all. They'll just rely on AI to do things for them. Idiocracy here we come...
"A 2006 study from the American Institutes for Research found that only 31 percent of adults with bachelor’s degrees are proficient in 'prose literacy'–being able to compare and contrast two newspaper editorials, for example. More than a quarter have math skills so feeble that they can’t calculate the cost of ordering supplies from a catalogue."
https://democracyjournal.org/magazine/15/that-old-college-lie/
"According to studies by the National Literacy Institute in 2024, 21% of American adults are illiterate."
https://usareads.org/the-literacy-crisis-in-america/
@bg Also, you used the apostrophe incorrectly in your post. The correct usage is South Asians', not South Asian's. Case in point.
@bg Actually, it is. 60 Minutes did a segment on the Indian Institute of Technology and how competitive it is to get into. Many students who can't hack it settle for MIT or Cal Tech, and they do so with shame. "Fortune 500 headhunters are always on the lookout for that IIT degree," says Leslie Stall in the segment, which you can view here:
https://youtu.be/O4Frq2SbvPY?si=SRT2WvGuyGfdGn-y
Meanwhile, the people always bi--hing about HI-B workers in these threads don't know the difference between it's and its or there, their, and they're, etc., presenting a glaring example of Dunning-Kruger, which you probably never heard of.
@b5 you are so fcccckin right, these South Asian’s education system is better than ours.
@b5 yeah right… our education system is so broken that we need H1B (90% are from single down South Asian country) to fill the gap.
@OP One factor you may be overlooking is that the American education system has become so terrible that we simply cannot produce enough qualified individuals to fill specialized roles. Around 21% of American adults is functionally illiterate. The US Establishment would rather rely on foreign indentured servants than fix our education system.
You're correct, except India is using AI to help them to reduce staff. American job losses will continue.
Why? It just takes one indian in a hiring position to start the process. They only hire their own. They get kick backs from ICCs to outsource/offshore jobs. That's why.
Is that what they are telling you ?......ok, keep believing the Kool Aid Man and gulp the sugar water in gallons.
@a8 Wellsfargo uses H1B to hire foreigner of South Asian who has mediocre skills and ordinary education. They come from noname colleges in their home country and they are not at all knowledgeable. You let one of them in they bring their familles and villagers in.
H1B holders work with their employers to post fake job listings to get their PERM (Labor Certificate) and Green Card approved. They abuse non immigrant visa like H1B and L1, and eventually stay in the US permanently by applying green card.
per AI:
“The H-1B visa is a nonimmigrant work visa in the United States that allows U.S. employers to hire foreign workers for “specialty occupations” jobs that require specialized knowledge, skills, and education, particularly when qualified workers are not be readily available in the U.S. labor market.”
per AI:
Corporations continue outsourcing and hiring H-1B workers because structural cost savings and tied labor agreements remain cheaper than domestic salaries, while artificial intelligence currently automates routine tasks rather than fully replacing specialized human labor.