Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Enshitification

A major problem in today’s economy is that many companies focus more on extracting value than creating it. A truly great company should make useful products, serve its customers well, treat employees fairly, and maintain healthy relationships with suppliers. However, modern business culture often rewards companies even when they fail to do these things. When a company becomes highly valued despite offering less value to the people who depend on it, that reflects a deeper problem in society.

Business leaders should measure success by the value they provide to customers, not only by the money they return to shareholders. A successful business should constantly ask whether it is giving customers more value than it did before. The danger comes when companies decide to take value away from customers in order to increase profits. This may help the company in the short term, but it damages trust and weakens the purpose of the business.

This problem is especially visible in technology. Many services begin by offering something genuinely useful, but once they attract a large user base, they often shift toward extracting more profit from those users. Platforms may make useful features harder to find, increase prices, show more advertising, or push content that benefits the company more than the customer. This is the process Cory Doctorow calls “enshittification.” The original purpose of the product becomes weaker, while the company captures more value for itself.

The rise of artificial intelligence raises similar concerns. AI may make businesses more productive, but the benefits of that productivity do not have to belong only to shareholders or owners of capital. Greater productivity could lead to higher wages, shorter working hours, better services, or lower prices for consumers. However, if companies treat shareholder profit as the only important goal, AI could deepen inequality and reduce the role of ordinary people in the economy.

A society where only a small group of capital owners benefits from automation would be unstable and inhuman. Prosperous economies require the circulation of money and value, because businesses still need customers, workers, and communities to survive. If AI replaces human labor without creating new ways for people to participate, then the economy could become more concentrated and less inclusive. The challenge of the twenty-first century is to decide what role humans will have as more tasks become automated.

The future of the AI economy is therefore a choice. Society can allow AI to become another tool for monopoly, lock-in, and extraction, or it can design systems that allow more people to participate and benefit. The web and open source software succeeded in part because they created an “architecture of participation,” where many people could contribute and share in value creation. A humane economy should follow that model by using markets to support human flourishing rather than concentrating wealth among a few people.

Tim O'Reilly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQu3MRSQgc


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Post ID: @OP+1kva3qzh2

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This line made laugh... "Greater productivity could lead to higher wages, shorter working hours, better services, or lower prices for consumers. "

This would have worked 50 or more years ago when CEOs and senior executives pay was primarily based on salary. The compensation mix has shifted to mainly stock and bonuses based on how well that stock performs. The people who decide where the profits are going are paying themselves by rewarding the shareholders. This is something that is not going to change on its own.

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Post ID: @hd+1kva3qzh2

@dx now go map out the same data for other countries. Go look at China, Russia, UK, EU... everyone has debt. The US is more open about it but we aren't much worse off than others. Go take a close look at healthcare in other countries. The quality and availability really drops in the countries with socialized programs... take a number and we will see you when we can hope you live long enough...

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Post ID: @hc+1kva3qzh2

The private and public sectors combined in the US hold over $108.3T in debt. The service on that debt is approaching 22% of US GDP which well exceeds the most expensive health care in the world at 18% of US GDP, and our healthcare outcomes are some of the worst in the first world. The percentage of total wealth held by the top 1% from 1990 to 2025 increased from 22.5% to 31.9%, a nearly 43% increase. All of these indicators point to significantly reduced stability over time.

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Post ID: @dx+1kva3qzh2

@cp The bell curve probably leans heavily non-technical, and engineers know exactly who understands the product versus who’s winging it and just there for the vibes

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Post ID: @cx+1kva3qzh2

@cm how many PMs do you think have the right technical credentials. Just wager.

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Post ID: @cp+1kva3qzh2

Tech company without technical leadership is just bad code in production.

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Post ID: @cm+1kva3qzh2

@by Fully agree. In tech, technical depth, integrity, and judgment are not optional.
Without them, people don’t lead, they become liabilities.

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Post ID: @cg+1kva3qzh2

Great tech companies:

  • do not employ nontechnical people.
  • they do not employ those hired via nepotism who do not have the right credentials.
  • they do not promote unethical, immoral or unqualified individuals.
  • they purge those that are liabilities
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Post ID: @by+1kva3qzh2

The problem is the word "shareholders."

You think of shareholders as employees, retirement accounts, lots of ordinary people.

The company thinks of shareholders as hedge funds and the people that control institutional investments.

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Post ID: @bd+1kva3qzh2

It is an illusion to believe that the core theme of life on this planet, consisting of an organism exploiting and manipulating its environment to survive, is somehow no longer the underlying reality of just about every human exploit. What matters is I win and you loose; that theme continues from the evolution of countless species, and into today's business culture of fiction-themed responsibility, towards both employees and customers. We are about to witness the ultimate example of this theme, with the shell-game of SPCX market valuation, and the fleecing of millions of investors beliefs that they are "doing good", by investing in innovation, when in reality the masses are simply participating in the same old theme of wealth transfer, perfumed in the baloney cloak of "innovation for the future". Sure.

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Post ID: @b3+1kva3qzh2

It's the tyranny of the market. It is very difficult to play the long game and build a sustainable business while also making shareholders happy four times a year. If you can't make it happen, people can just invest in Apple or Google or Nvidia who are making it happen.

AI may actually be the key to unwinding this. Within a couple of years you will be able to generate even large complicated codebases like Oracle or Salesforce CRM or whatever.

Every software company works from the premise that code is scarce and hard to produce. This is soon to be proven false.

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