If you go to speak up for ethical misconduct by a cabal of leadership reinforced by HR and Speak Up covers is up, what is the next move? Email Farley’s CDSID? Looking for answers. Every time we have holidays I seem to get punished for enjoying time off so I know the worst is yet to come.
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@cq nice, probably won’t fire someone who has a pending lawsuit, nice strategy! Wait, what happens after, maybe a year or two late?? I’ve never met an old timer with a story about when they sued the company years back….
@cq I always lawyer up quickly, never turns into anything but it’s good to know how to protect yourself. That said, 90% of the BS HR deals with would be laughed out of a lawyers office. There are valid reasons to go to HR, but bring a solid complaint, something provable and actionable or don’t go in the first place. As someone mentioned below, a good boss coaches this or finds a reasonable resolution before escalating. PS HR secretly hates the majority of the noise some teams generate because they know they can’t do anything.
@cp “hr reports to satan” is a hilarious line
But true.
They were told god was merciful and so they stopped fearing and decided to join Lu----r
They’ll play off their actions as if they accidentally hit a curb, even when they ran over another human
what kind of ethical misconduct?
@cp I would certainly not take a direct manager to HR - never a good idea. Be an adult.
Most Lawyers have zero ethics to start with. They work for people with the most money and that’s Ford not the small time guy.
Don’t even risk reporting unethical issues. Look what happened to the Boeing whistleblower guy the night before he was to testify. He also was being hounded and harassed daily by his Boeing former manager.
Get a lawyer now – that's your only shot. HR won’t protect you. They'll go straight to your manager, and you'll be at the bottom of the list, getting fired without a second thought.
Don't listen to @aw babble.
HR reports to Satan no matter what company it is, and they will sell your sole without a second thought.
Been there done that. It was shocking experience and a hard lesson to never ever trust anyone from HR. They will use anything you disclose to them against you even if it was confidential and you asked them directly if they agreed it was confidential information you were disclosing to them. Once you leave the HR's office, they will get on the phone to call your manager and a Ford attorney on how to go about firing you.
@aw first you need to find the adults. I’m an old soul but why are the young ones doing parenting? Something is wrong
@c5 the hirer was probably brought in as part of Ford’s DEI situation and felt good about being a decision maker, just like HR.
Careful..I've heard various stories where HR for HR doesn't work.
@a2 which fu--ing id--t thought this was a good idea? Setup for failure, HAHA!
@aj I was in a team that once invited the HR groups to their team events, their meeting, did intros, almost couldn’t hold back my laughter. They do it because it provides cover to management, not because it’s good for their employees, morale or anything positive, major red flag if you have a director that’s doing this sort of thing. There are decent people in HR that actually work with employees on their grievances, but they’re not babysitters, don’t confuse that for a second. Anyone that tells you HR is your “partner” or “friend” or “to help” is either a mo--n or an a--hole, no in between, a good manager recognizes this a lazy one uses them as a we-pon on the naive and a shield for their own stupidity. Good HR people work with the people for resolution, coach and council on expectations, they don’t use the aggressive liability playbook for 90% of the nonsense that walks in the door.
@az what does this mean? Merry Christmas though
You get axed for speak up 100%. Speak up is for id--ts who whant to lose their jobs and have little experience. Your are speaking up against higher ranks. From the HR perspective you are the problem. Ford needs a petitioned 10000 people to speak up against Dobermans and the Fa-t who are keep destroying the company.
HR at Ford is neither human nor a resource...
@av Oh, this is you (maybe), what joke, Merry Christmas.
@ax I used a firm out east as I wanted full discretion and it was a friend of the family. But I have heard good things about that firm you're referring to as well.
There is a labor law firm in the Royal Oak Birmingham area that handles labor type of issues. They are very well know and been a thorn in Fords side for over 25yrs. I do not recall the name of the firm. But I would start with them regarding next steps.
I intended to reply in the other thread. Your best bet is to find someone decent and trustworthy in HR and ask for help (they do exist). I was always told not to use HR and instead trust management to handle things like adults, maybe that was org dependent, but HR was eventually able to provide some protection/piece of mind without ruffling feathers, should have done it earlier, but you live and learn. I wish I could provide some names for you, sorry....
It comes down to money, ideology, compromise (or coercion), and ego. The great philosopher, Warren Buffett, once reminded us about the power of incentives.
@as convenient*
@a1 read the book bullsh-t jobs, I think the author was gifted… or maybe they just had common sense and said the quiet part out loud. Nothing is confusing, it’s just comment and sometimes HR isn’t the one being manipulated, it’s the one doing manipulation.
@ak Universities are apparently experts at producing knowledge, therefore they must be well-run organizations. It should be that simple, but it’s not. So what is being taught other than institutional isomorphism?
@a2 not surprised. Same goes for academic gatekeepers and also many professors have never worked in the fields they “prepare” or “qualify” students for in contemporary terms
Accreditation is cartel behavior, not quality assurance
Eg. Universities like Ross survive because external competition is blocked by accreditation. Merit does not win. Merit doesn’t fit within.
@ak Students are not customers, they are collateral. If students were treated like shareholders, outcomes would be tracked honestly with public accountability. Bad programs would be shut down. Past wouldn’t be the last because it would be addressed. Tuition would reflect value delivered instead of time wasting. Instead, students absorb the downside and universities capture the upside.
People in gatekeeping roles think it’s unfair and that’s why they try to humble you. But that’s just their optimization for survival. When companies inherit these flawed academic gremlins.. incentive structures, status signaling, internal review cycles (grades), and risk-averse consensus-building..they start behaving like universities, not competitors. And in the next era the real competitors will come to bat and knock you out the park. All while your gremlins justify their existence and internally fight for survival backed by their academic allies they’ve also brought in. Companies that mirror academic incentives and legitimacy will be outcompeted by companies without parasitic infections without a cure to a slow demise due to not inheriting reality sooner. Alternative credentials will gain legitimacy without “institutional or regional backing” and companies full of students who mistook contemporary legitimacy for effectiveness will ALSO be outcompeted by what’s coming. False legitimacy has been passed on as a bag to hold for these companies but the rug pull hasn’t happened yet like wool being pulled over their eyes.
@aj this needs to be taught in school.
HR is there to protect the company not you. They look friendly but they are the enemy.
@ac I saw this happen 15 years ago but they survived and excelled because stakes weren’t too high for their livelihood so they could focus on excellence
@aa the dehumanization is meant to trick you out your rightful spot and reinforce future arguments that you’re not worth anything while they bleed you dry for speaking up against exploitation to further reinforce their self fulfilling intervention of telling others that you’re not worth it by crippling you in your prime and then asking you to start running
If only you knew you never needed them, all they did from you was take and ride off you. Leaving you to hold the bag remaining silent due to being impressionable and enamored by people older that pretended to be honest and merit based. They take what you already had going for yourself and crush it because it didn’t fit their agenda of controlling you. Evil eye in its peak form.
University is for compromising talent with degeneracy and dehumanization of oneself. Its conformity through cancel culture and su----e for individualization when merit is something that isn’t a standardized process like fu--ing mo--ns think. They want a pipeline to the manufacturing labor force like talent is all the same and is graded the same without outliers, similar to what jojos ford treats and handles those individuals on the intake of such pipeline. When they find an outlier it’s their best interest to act d-mb and begin exploitation since Michigan reinforces the idea that outliers don’t exist through our DEI alternative entrepreneurial ecosystem that is truly a massive money laundering scheme
It’s because a lot of the stuff was built here BEFORE the people who are currently running it. Things are being ran by FU--ING ID--TS, EVERYWHERE. Any more stupid questions? NEXT!
@a4 if you want to know why talent is dying look at the people who are running the business schools in Michigan. Massive failure. Look at admissions in Ross for example, can those people relate? Just gremlins
@a6 or how about how Michael Jackson got invited to come on stage for a fake award to be humiliated. Similar to like a fake promotion despite merit. What is this sh-t about? Why do we normalize this to talent? You ki-l talent? Why?
@a5 have you ever been invited to Michigan central for the entrepreneurial ecosystem to legitimize people through association that are NOT you? While not even wanting to put you, yourself, on? Or invited to places owned by Ford after they did you dirty by people in Michigan, the same industry that is claiming to be merit based? It seems like people want to reinforce and invite you to act like nothing happens after you get done bad, bad bad. Very disturbing DEI tactics. Like how they would invite Eminem to the Grammies so he reinforced legitimacy for the lineup against him with people who didn’t earn it but were rewarded unfairly. I heard he stopped going to the Grammy. I heard drake uses a Grammy as a door stop? Kendrick doesn’t disrespect the Grammy, that’s why we love Kendrick and put him onto the superbowl, he is the perfect level of submissiveness
Everybody says “put on that new Kendrick” right? Not drake? Right?
@a4 reading this reminds me of our entrepreneurial ecosystem like DEI STARS (Techstars) and so forth
@a3 exclusive babysitting, they vet based on submissiveness and docile nature. Are you fully compliant and will you be a good box checker? We don’t actually know anything, we only know how to relate with one dimension. Even though reality is not one dimension. Our vibe attracts our tribe as reinforce what is merit. We don’t really have any exceptional or remarkable ability or proven track record independently outside of gated walls. The framework is called “the square docile test”.
The incompetence and cynicism is clearly systemic here. The only root they’re getting the bottom to is BEER. This also extends to our business schools like Ross