From my experience the ADLs didn't own the business or technology so didn't add much value. They also used to track metrics that didn't translate to any business meaning.
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This thread is absolutely hilarious 😂 good luck to those left behind that have a job (for now)
"ADLs added apt of value like managing the ETBs, vulnerability managemnt, quarterly cyber Jiras summarizing what needs to be done, pentest remediation, threat model and TRA remediation and other things. It's wrong to say they didn't do amything because they did a lot !!!"
didnt know that. in my team its engineers who do that work.
Whole agile itself is gimmick if we do not have product owners / business sit with development team directing them with quick product feedback and performance.
Did everyone who was laid off get lucrative severance?
I agree. I came in as a SWE in 2020 and right off the bat, I questioned the roles/value propositions of ADLs. I always thought of them as middle men, another somewhat useless abstraction layer. Our team had a few ADLs come in and out, and each one didn’t know our product nor the technology and would not add much value to our meetings/ceremonies.
ADLs added apt of value like managing the ETBs, vulnerability managemnt, quarterly cyber Jiras summarizing what needs to be done, pentest remediation, threat model and TRA remediation and other things. It's wrong to say they didn't do amything because they did a lot !!!
I agree. People won't like this but I'm surprised upper management could make a decision that seems to be in touch with what's happening on the ground and which leaned on the side of leanness. I think engineering managers and product managers can quite easily take on the ADL responsibilities.
Not that ADLs are always unnecessary. I think they make sense in some contexts. But one per team , along with PMs and EMs is too much. I never saw the retros, point metrics, and that stuff translate in to anything.
But what this will require is for engineers to start thinking more about timelines, business value, etc. They seem to take pride in being insulated from that stuff sometimes.
If you're an ADL, just try to get in to product management or something. That seems like the safe harbor for non-technical social people.