You go to the gym, your kids go to school. Last week, you seem that new movie at a movie theater. A few weeks ago you were out shopping in a crowd, maskless, for gifts... So why in the he-l can't you return to the office?? Keep complaining and maybe you will be laid off, like me! Then you won't have to worry about returning to the office. Be thankful if you have an office and job to return to
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As an ethical and "top performing" team, who do not bootlick for anyone, we were supposed to be the employees the bank wanted. I've been financially preparing for layoff since 2016-when the hub mandate was first discussed all the while working hard for a company that has made it crystal clear that they don't want or need us. They should have grandfathered those of us in who continue to out-perform others; instead of accusing us of abusing wfh w no evidence, tracking us like fugitives and treating us all like a disease to be rid of.
Tell me you're a bitter new employee w/o telling me you're a bitter new employee
Most of tech was HIRED as full time telecommute since before 2017 and for 20 years prior to that newbie don't hate on something you obviously know nothing about
If people on my team would put in half the amount of effort at work as they do with these 10k character fantasy responses we wouldn’t be getting the 3 day in office requirement.
I can tell you that senior management is doing this not only because of real estate investments but because we, as a company, are not completing work on time, with quality or both. I’m in tech and they are expecting a lot more progress than what they’ve gotten so far.
Yep. Turns out making bald faced lies to your employees on a regular basis doesn't work well in the long term. These execs are a complete failure on the leadership front. The vast majority have tuned them out at this point and are just waiting for their inevitable exit.
Haven't done any of those things OP, but "ok". Your business case would not be approved by the same executives you're bootlicking.
OP - why are you concerned about what others do regarding RTO? Are you missing your collaboration time or just jealous you don't have the marbles to stand up for what you want? Or maybe you're an inconsistently meets without any specialized skillsets so you don't have any negotiating power? Charlie, is that you???
They have a plan for people who sit in offices without anyone on their team. Layoffs are coming. Big ones.
Remember the hub relocations that were interrupted by Covid? Well, now with all the RTO pushback and the softening economy they are just going to clear the board and hire (or retain) people who are collocated.
So if the reason you feel exempted from RTO is that no one on your team lives in the same state or time zone, take this as your push to get your resume, LinkedIn and references lined up. You may need them as soon as next month.
@1mwl+1kBZ3s2g These types of responses are such absolute fantasy. As if the world owes you an explanation. The requirements of the job have changed. You either roll with it or roll out before you get rolled over. No different than the rest of life.
@wud+1kBZ3s2g Yeah, no. I’d go find a place that had circumstances more aligned to my needs. Big boy/girl pants aren’t for the people on this board - clearly living life as a victim is far more productive. 🙄
It's the reason behind the change that's the issue, along with other factors. If I needed to be in the office for any sort of reason that made sense, that might make a difference. I am not in a hub. On most days, I have to go out of my way to even say hi to someone (as in literally on a different floor). I don't remember the last time I saw someone on my floor. I guaranty we are not collaborating, and we are not "better together." Networking is a great idea, but I am able to do that virtually, and there are no jobs at my current location that I would be interested in having.
Secondly, why shouldn't we question it? Smart leaders are the ones who understand that there is more innovation in companies where diverse opinions are heard, and discussed. How well does Charlie do when it comes to perspectives that are different from his own? His entire work experience is completely different from most of the people that work in the company. We aren't a small bank, and therefore the way our roles function is different depending on the job itself.
Thirdly, one possibility is that I once read there is a higher potential for fraud when people are siloed and working from home. In certain roles, that may be a deciding factor in whether or not people should work from home. On the flip side though, if people are in a hub location, they can certainly overhear a lot of conversations, and information spreads like wildfire. People hear things that are supposed to be confidential, and information security goes by the wayside.
Finally, look at all of the people who have left the company. Wells might be better off without some of them, but I guaranty you that they aren't better off without all of them. There are some groups that are floundering, and quality has tanked in certain areas. In some cases, the people that remain don't care anymore, and they barely do what needs to get done, or it gets done late. Are we really in a better position now than we were pre-Covid, or even during Covid?
I think the conclusion is that one policy doesn't work for everyone. There are quite a few people that shouldn't be working from home even if they want. Then there are those that excel working at home and don't talk to anyone anyway.
Some may laugh, but I actually get a lot out of coming into the office 1-2 days a week. Great networking and if you haven't noticed, that's a plus when comes to a promotion or future considerations.
@cqj+1kBZ3s2g - Same with your PTO, Holidays, medical, etc. ,etc. All are subject to change.
I bet you'd be upset if they all of a sudden said, sorry no more PTO for you.
urt+1kBZ3s2g I’m not an RTO fan but get over the telecommuting agreements already. They all said they were subject to change without notice. Every one of them.
You got the notice and now’s the change. Good luck finding a company who will guarantee in perpetuity you can work from home but if you find them, by all means, run over there and stop whining over here.
- I don't go to the gym, I prefer to exercise outside and not feel like a hamster.
- My kids wear masks and are tested weekly at school.
- I have a 75" TV and a 7.1 Atmos sound system that I bought at the beginning of the pandemic. No theater will ever get my money or business again. No lines, no roaches, just great seats, and great food.
- I don't shop in a crowd. I have whatever possible delivered and for what I absolutely have to go into a store, I pick off-hours and wear a mask. I avoid browsing as much as possible.
I haven't been laid off yet, but maybe that's only because I manage risk better and make smarter decisions than you.
Because ZERO of my teammates are in the same city. Forcing us all into the office 1) erodes morale, 2) will not create "synergy" (whatever the eff that is), 3) impinges on our work/life balance, and 4) runs contrary to the company's commitment to the environment.
OP is one of the weirdest recurring trolls on this site, now he's pretending to be laid off for his misguided attacks on WFH. In reality he's just seething in a branch somewhere
Leaving the fact that the OP is complaining about complaining aside...
- Many were not in the office 3 days a week before 2020. Some already had a hybrid model where we only came in for larger group meetings (myself included), others had formal wfh agreements. So this is taking away a benefit for no other reason than "because". Which brings us to #2.
- Why? Many have proven work can be done effectively, and often more effectively, remotely. Meanwhile many jobs are being shipped to other countries that are outside of US business hours. So now I have meetings before business hours, then should drive in to sit on virtual meetings, and then hurry home to hop on more calls. Ummm...NOPE!!!
Fucccc Off!!! And Fucc Wells Fargo!!
You can work out at home, watch movies, eat, shop etc. However, you want a better experience or enjoy getting out of the house. Seems working from home is aligned to those items a lot more than you think
there are also people that used to have jobs and now don't, so whYs your point? In most cases your employer can change your terms of employment whenever they want. just like you can by choosing to leave if you aren't happy with the terms of your employments.
I do all that stuff (gym, school, movies, shopping) because I can't do that from home. However, I CAN complete my job from home, so there's no reason to RTO.
OP is spot on!!!
There were people who had formal telecommuting agreements, many of whom took those positions specifically because of being able to work from home. There are also many people who took working from home as an opportunity to show how well they could perform in a home environment. Then there are the people who would have returned more happily were the location their prior location, or one closest to them. Then there are all the people who question the honesty behind the reasons being given for RTO because quite clearly "better together" and "collaboration" are not legitimate reasons for all the people who are not co-located with anyone in their business group, let alone someone on the same team.
If they had said we want to take advantage of tax breaks, and help our downtowns return to success, then people would have still complained, but the reasons might have seemed more justifiable.
Sad but true. I’m on a “team” where I’m the only one who comes into the office. My peers all have ADAs. Incidentally, they all went out the same week for an “undisclosed ailment” (it’s since been determined that all three individuals have anxiety and post pardem.. they probably have the same doctor). They all appeared to have a joyous holiday out and about and reveling in crowds via their Facebook and Instagram posts.
My point is, prior to 2020, most of us didn’t have a remote hybrid option. Now none of us can drag ourselves in. I get that the office model is a dinosaur, and most of us do ZERO collaboration when here, but it is what it is. Charlie has two years (maybe less) left before he jets. Let’s see if we can survive the RTO/WFH Hunger Games long enough to get someone who has some sense instead of someone who’s bleeding us dry. 🤷🏻