After the choice that you've made to stay remote, are you happy with it ? considering the fact that remote people won't have the same " chance " to apply to other roles ? or you have been fired for that choice ?
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@hf I'm op, why people cant be this simple ? that's the kind of answers I was looking for, and thank you from the bottom of my heart ♥
My team of 26 or so people has only 6 people in the office full time. the other 20 are remote, including me.
Not one of us has been let go or even threatened.
The whole "RTO, or else" shtick was one giant crock of po-p.
They soft threatened me to come back into the office and dangled a promotion in front of my face to come back. I go back and guess what! No promotion. Would give anything to go back to remote. I’m spending more in time and money that I will never get back to be even less productive in the office than I was at home. Paying out of my pocket to be babysat.
@fd I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.
I was one of the best performer and went to the office more often than my team and my role was made redundant.
My peer who was approved to be "remote" and one of my manager's favourite, is safe.
If you are in a team, it will be your manager's choice if you will be safe or not
@dc My parents neighbors - the husband - worked for Boeing and they ended up relocating due to his job.
Not only did Boeing PAY for the relocation but they even took care of selling their house. They moved before the house was even sold bc Boeing bought them a new house and then sold their old one for them.
If Dell were to pay for relocation, then I think most people would be OK with it but, selling a home, buying a home and moving in general is not only expensive but STRESSFUL, time consuming, and something nobody actually wants to do.
I'm onsite, but since there isn't a policy requiring a certain amount of days and hours, I'm just working remote and no one has said anything. This is true for most of our org including execs
@dc Exactly! Promotions are non existent at this point so, what incentive do remote employees have? They can't be promoted. So why even work harder? For that minimal 3.5% raise? lol...
Remote employees aren't losing out on jack po-p. Promotions don't exist anyways... Raises are pathetic and average 3.5%, which is like a hundred extra per check; if even that.
Maybe if promotions were more prevalent, and given out a bit more often then, people would consider relocating near an office but until promotions quit being withheld, there is literally zero point in a remote worker to relocate or go into office.
I live in Colorado and believe the closest office to me is in Denver. I'm in a small city a few hours away and in all honesty, I'd need a solid 30k promotion to pick up my family/kids and move to Denver. 10k extra aint enough to make me move, though. Denver is an expensive city to live in and why would I choose to uproot my family and kids and move for anything under 30k?
Make it worth my time to move. Show me the money and then we'll talk. Otherwise I can and will find a new job easy enough.
@ce I didn't do this but know quite a few people who did...
Some people took that chance and moved cities or states to a place where they REALLY wanted to live because why tf not?
FULL remote went on for basically 4.5-5 years straight and Dell not once ever said there was a possibility of RTO. VP's/C levels were even saying that they don't see in office work returning.
He-l I even know one guy who literally sold his truck as it wasn't needed anymore lol. D-mb af move but he didn't need it except to go to work. He just used his wives car to to things.
Then you have the people who never had a home office/setup who suddenly needed one. Dell gave a comical home office stipend of $400 which, after taxes was roughly 280 lmfao. Figure a half decent chair is at minimum, $100 and a desk is 150+. Then throw in keyboards, mouse, etc... He-l, my chair alone was $400 and my desk was $350.
Also, not everyone even HAD space for a home office so those who didn't, had to rearange their home to MAKE space. So yeah, it's a bs move to force everyone remote for 5 years, force them to purchase things they otherwise had no need to purchase, then randomly force everyone BACK to office?
I chose remote when it WAS a choice last year as I live close enough to an office to go in IF a promotion was on the table... I mean, my manager even asked me if I'd be willing to go in office for an extra xyz thousand/promotion this past January and I said yes. Well, that never happened bc HR said the budget wasn't high enough lol. I even filled out a new Job Application for it and everything LOL.
Now, I'm technically labeled as "onsite" but have a medical exception for a few more months. At this point, I don't feel like anybody is losing out on promotions anymore as they have been MIA for like 5 years now. My manager told me that promotions are primarily being given to those outside of the US as it's a "bigger bang for the buck," and cheaper.
Point is is that, those who are labeled as remote aren't losing out on anything, anyways.
So far all I have given up is promotions that don't exist. I bet when they do come back, they will be open to remote again.
Seiously though, what a d-mb, wasteful game of chicken this is!
You know they permanently closed a ton of offices, right? Many were remote pre-covid, as the company was cool with remote work for a decade before the pandemic. So it’s just a reality that many aren’t near an office, some through no fault of their own. People near an office now don’t have a choice but to go in, anyone who’s still remote it’s because of one of the reasons above.
@ce I'm op, so with your logic, if the poeple that got hired during covid and were remote, should stay remote right ?
@OP ok... remote was mandatory during rona cr-p... people got used to the easy life and were saving a few bucks on expenses but if you were in the office beforehand then you should return. Just entitled i reckon.
What choice? They are laying people off all the time. There will be a critical mass where they've knocked off too many people. Don't worry about it. They will realize they've sc--wed things up more than normal and quietly, let you apply for different roles. Why you want to do this is really the question here.lol
everyone is going to get the axe sooner or later....just a matter of time. Don't get used to your time there
@c1 I'm op , but which org were you ? and how did they fire you ? was it just because you chose remote or something else ?
I got laid off. Only one left remote. Been there over 27 years.
Unless you're based in a country with big headcount, Dell doesn't offer any chance for career anyway, regardless of being remote or on site.
Been remote for 16 years, closest office is 28 hour one way non stop drive, what choice do i have? Relocate...... yeah, NAH
LOL, remotes got it easy. I went in every day while remotes worked at home. Heck, we had a few that were supposed to be in the office that never showed up. I'm the one that got let go, probably because of my age. Remote means nothing....it was an empty threat all along.
You will have the same chance to apply for roles, with the understanding that you would have to go back to the office.