Thread regarding SAP layoffs

@hx Immigrants are NOT to blame. Government policy is to blame. Currency devaluation is a real thing and the government and central banks knows this. With deficits and devaluation of currency EUR, they need to make sure that the number of people entering and paying taxes is greater than the rate of inflation. This assumes that you have an infinite number of houses, infinite number of jobs and businesses, infinite food supplies, infinite everything. Which means societal collapse at some point in the future. You have countries working to ditch the USD global reserve currency because they know the money is becoming more and more worthless.

With SAP shifting headcounts to low-cost centers, this means a reduction in tax paying workforce in Germany and EU broadly. This isn't just a SAP thing, the entire tech workforce has been suffering from mass layoffs and ghost job advertisements since the post-pandemic lockdowns ended.

Immigrants are not to blame.

If you are sacked, it is simply becauce you are not pulling your weight.

No one to blame but yourselves.

@hj > Board lays off people.

Blame immigrants.

The people in our company cease to amaze me on their logic. But they are right, certain immigrants do not assimilate and integrate well into EU societies. This means we have more EU skeptic parties, who will simply block Schengen-welfare privileges to "refugees" which will stop them from coming in.

But neither side have solutions to fix a s*** economy we have. Trump promised that and he failed on the housing crisis and energy crisis. He cracked down on illegal cheap labor coming in from the south of the border and now Americans are paying living wages but the cost of everything has shot up. Even these "living wages" aren't enough to pay rent for a tiny box apartment.

The root problem is western countries over-reliance on taxing warm bodies entering societies and forever money printing which weakens and devalues your salaries. Which means you will be working until the day you d!e in a job that you most likely hate to a boss that changes every 12 months. Just look at 60 years of currency devaluation where people could have supported an entire family on one income. Now people are working 7 jobs to survive. Unless you sell everything and leave for a third world country like Thailand, 1ndia or South America and live like a king with a Western strong currency, then potentially you could say goodbye to the 9-5, forever layoff rat race.

@OP

@OP Can we please just focus on the subject (SAP restructuring) ?

This is turning into immigration and racism issue in EU societies which is not the purpose of this site.

People come here trying to get meaningful information about Layoffs in SAP and if it will impact their job...

@eg People are getting arrested in the UK for sharing memes while illegal immigrant child rapists get off with lighter sentences. Germany is actively trying to subpoena personal data from US citizens over "hate speech." All woke governments have to do is call something racist or bigoted and spineless, brainless dipsh-ts like yourself will support any action they take.

The person you responded to is not a bigot. They're very likely much more pleasant to be around than yourself.

@fb just quit yourself and you have clarity. I dont want to be rude but if you put yourself in the driver seat instead of being a potentiel victim, then you will see that you have peace of mind and health is fine. And yes it might be difficult but still better than being scared

Really impacting my mental health, I keep thinking about being impacted

@eg+1k4ckevrq I am not bashing immigrants or foreigners. Maybe you are mistaken or lacking distinction in-between legal expats/ legal foreigners and illegal foreigners / illegal immigrants. As a matter of fact, I myself is an expat and lived in many countries.

I have given credit to the legal expats/ immigrants who are contributing to the society and country by paying taxes and being law abiding members of the society. "Eventually common tax paying citizens and working expats have to bear the burden for everything...".

Lack of distinction in-between right and wrong due to political correctness is one of the biggest problems EU is facing. If you are so illegal immigrant friendly then please start with opening your apartment to them and let them live in it and fund them.

Because of such blanket ignorance between right and wrong, far right is growing everywhere in Europe whether we like it or not. Please check the statistical data by yourself about the % of crimes committed by illegals and % increase in it year over year in Europe. Due to such bad apples, even the working class legal expats and immigrants who pay 42%+ taxes, who don't take anything back from the social system have to face hardships, racism and consequences in the society by some members of the local population for no fault of their own. Due to that many expats, leave the country thus reducing the overall tax pool for the government and stressing the understaffed labor market in some sectors when the local working age population is reducing due to retirements which puts additional burden on the social security and pensions for the government. German government will have Eur 20 billion budget deficit next year and they don't know from where to fill it up. They might end up reducing the pension benefits, or increasing the retirement age to 67 or 70 which is horrible for everyone.

I have seen pensioners and retirees who have paid taxes throughout their working life, picking glass bottles and cans from garbage bins for additional money, because the pensions which they get is just not enough to survive and it pains me as a legal expat/ immigrant. I would want the money to go to them any day than an illegal immigrant who only takes and doesn't give back!

Long story short, please don't paint everything in black and white and move back to the original topic of the thread which is more concerning for everyone in this group. Thank you!

@ee You make some valid points, but your stupid immigrant and foreigner bashing at the end betrays you as a bigot and racist.

Just go away.

@a2+1k4ckevrq Maybe you are a 20+ year experienced rat sitting in Walldorf who started as an intern (like most people in WDF) and then retire from SAP. No experience outside your tiny village whatsoever, not worked in any other company in germany let alone globally, have zero integration skills and feel proud of your fake intellectual superiority. Its this mindset and people like you that SAP hasn't delivered any world class products in a really long time! They just rely on acquisitions to keep themselves afloat, with the recent example of LeanIX, Smart Recruiters etc.

According to DA - This is like brushing the teeth everyday which is going to happen in Q3 or Q4 and will continue for many years. Performance ratings are out and people with 1 or 2 even 3 (meeting expectations) ratings will be on the hit list. We all know how the ratings were given without any logic or reasoning whatsoever, just based on the close affinity of the employee with their managers. This sets such a bad precedent that one must keep pleasing their managers because real feedback comments eventually wouldn't matter in front of manager's ratings deciding an employee's fate.

US, EU and German economy is going down the sewage drain and on the edge of a great depression/stagflation similar to 1929. This is a collective failure of the governments and corporates. Eventually common tax paying citizens and working expats have to bear the burden for everything despite paying more than 42% taxes in germany from which they get 0% returns. All the freebies and money from tax payers goes to illegal immigrants from radical countries whom EU and Germany have warmly welcomed. They don't pay taxes, take social security benefits, produce 5-6 babies and take child support money and on the other hand working class couples just slog and slog and eventually get fired!!

Don‘t spread rumors.

Work hard, and your job is safe.

If you are lazy or spread rumors, you deserve what is coming up for you.

@dh What is the rumor? This is an internal email sent to warn layoffs? Proof is clear as day that there is a reduction in workforce effort.

Don‘t spread rumors.

What nobody realizes is that economies around the world are moving into stagflation because fiat currencies are losing value and productivity has tanked as employers burn out employees and implement measures that make them resign without pay. Governments worldwide are running trillion dollar deficits which is priced into your currency, and then they hike taxes on everything from working immigrants to corporations. A recent MIT study found that around 95% of AI programs flop for businesses that invest in them. Which means we are potentially approaching an AI bubble pop. Look at the AI releases that we have launched, how many of them are actively being used by customers to drive efficiencies and productivity boosting measures? I can go onto Google AI and ask for the engine to code C++, and that's free. So again, these layoffs could potentially mean that certain parts of our company that we have invested heavily in, are not generating the returns to appease shareholders.

For example, contract squeezing S/4HANA, anticipated maintenance revenue termination, low AI adoption, declining innovations on our roadmaps...and narrowing our revenue streams to SaaS business suite and AI.

@b1 If I was with the company for about 15+ years and was offered this VERP I would have taken it in a heartbeat and then f***ed off out of the forever-layoff rat race completely on a fully paid off house and cashed out on my SAP stocks while they are still trading at all time highs. But I agree, there are mass layoffs happening everywhere and governments around the world appear to be ignorant of this fact and it is hurting recent graduates who are not needed anymore due to AI and senior colleagues who are too expensive to rehire back. So why doesn't the board actively and explicitly tell employees to just "look for another job" instead of playing these attrition games?

SAP is parking its money in high yield savings accounts to cushion against the s*** economies we have and a doomed future under the current US admin and rising skepticism in the EU.

@am Well, if SAP wants it to be quick then it needs to figure out a way to offer good incentives otherwise it will take forever especially in France and Germany with unsatisfied fired employees taking SAP to court will the media : very bad for the image of SAP in EU as well as for the Business.

You can't be cheap in these situations because people have families...

@OP P.S. It also allows SAP to jettison without an enhanced VERP those who in 2024 turned down the VERP offer. Those who turned it down back in 2Q2024 had until end of 1Q2025 to “redeem” that enhanced severance offer. Now they do not.

@ae yes only Europe

Not heard anything in Australia

@a2 this company su-ks because of a-s kissers like yourself. you probably give hand jobs at happy hours.

Good point but what if the conditions are not the same? @ak

@ak

It won‘t. For tax reasons this is only possible in 4 or 5 years again.

@OP If this restructuring gives the same benefits as 2024, there will be more candidates than required by the project because people in EU are fed up with the (new) way of management in SAP.

@ae Yes, to those for whom the European Works Council is responsible.

Not everyone got this email btw....was it only sent to Europe employees?

STRIKE please!

well the real reason is the location strategy, i.e. outsource from high cost to low quality locations and has zero to do with ai as its often high skill teams dealing with ai who get cut.

This was an internal mail.

Shame on you for publishing it.