Can someone from the Control Management team confirm that their leader communicated expectations of 8 hours a day in the office (3 days) and they said it's being monitored by reporting?
I'm not from Control Management but someone from CM told me in the office today.
Good thing I'm a fitness nut and routinely conduct meetings and collaboration while walking outside the building with my fellow employees!
"They never stipulated how many hours you need to be at the office to constitute a "day." "
PRECISELY! It could be argued that the policy of 4 hours PTO counting as a day in office should imply that at least 4 hours are required, it isn't that simple, especially legally.
First-- The expectation of a number of hours would need to be officially communicated (for this example let's say 4 hours in office at least).
Second-- It has to be taken into consideration that people take lunches at different points in their shift and lunch break timing can be controlled by managers. This means if you take your lunch before you hit 4 hours into your shift--and then commute home on your lunch--you wouldn't meet the requirement, and managers could use scheduling to play favorites or use it as a tool to get rid of team members.
Third-- It will be a big effort to monitor this across the company. Even with badge taps, many people at my site badge in and out several times a day. If you lose your badge you have to trust the security folks to link it to your profile properly (I had an issue where I had to prove I was at the office on certain days after I lost my badge and the 3rd party security company messed up linking my profile).
Fourth-- Even if they use network connections to prove time in office it's not a concrete way of proving hours in office. Sometimes I use my phone's hotspot wifi to work. I've gotten to the office before and worked for hours before realizing I was still connected to my hotspot and not through my site's wifi.
There are many legal issues WF could face if they enforce hours in office without making it an official policy communicated to team members ahead of time.
I'm not saying HY won't try it at some point, but if they do expect it to be officially communicated and at least 2-6 weeks for it to be fully implemented, perhaps longer. If HY tries to retroactively apply these expectations, I expect they will face several lawsuits.
I love these dream monitoring scenarios by folks that are clearly not managers and don’t get the actual reporting. They also don’t understand what seems like a trivial thing to monitor like hours in the office is actually exceptionally difficult to do at enterprise scale given all the variety in workers and work hours. But please tell us more how we will get a spanking if we aren’t in the office for exactly 8 hours.
You better be in the office for 8 hours going forward. There is a new effort to cut jobs without severance.
Our building you swipe in and you must swipe out. So they know when you come and they know when you go. They don’t need VPN
They never stipulated how many hours you need to be at the office to constitute a "day."
I wonder how'll they'll short it ou lt for those logged in through vdi in the office and VPN at home?
Work at home all day, when you go out to run an errand at night, take your computer to the office, log it in and let it sit. Pick it up 24 hours later. You just logged the 24 required hours of in-office IP address.
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Why is IP data relevant, the CEO himself said the most important thing we do here is collaborate around the water cooler. PC doesn't even have to be on for that so if it shows 8 hrs of activity you're literally not following his guidance.
Yes, we were advised last Friday by our Director that 8 hours is being tracked using IP reporting. Made it very clear that 8 hours is the expectation whether in office or at home and 3 days in office. If there is an issue with compliance, we will be looking at 4 or 5 days in the office, manadatory.
Manager here. If I see 3 swipes or more a week, done. I currently don’t do any more digging. Same thing my peers do. Is there more data available, certainly, but if the employee is compliant, no need to go any further. Will things change, maybe. But I am not in the know.
For $50 a week, I'll swipe your badge 3 days and randomly log you in to the hub a few hours at a time.
The reporting has the ability to track both swipes and the time that the employee logged into the corporate network. It further has the ability to filter on either one of these options which then enables the manager to determine duration on the network and if the employee only swiped and did not log into the network. So for those of you simply badging in and leaving if you did not log into the network they will know and if you are leaving early they will know how long you were connected to the network.
Everyone here is full of p000p. They track via IP not swipes. Swipes is always the first thing that “these managers”’on here say. Secondly there are subsets of reports on the reports they get, that any manager can drill down on, if they so choose. Hours and location being just 2.
Totally false. BTW unless you are registered and regulated employees mouse jugglers are okay too.
True.
@ab+1jhnvs22z Is correct. Report I have as a director just shows badge swipes, location, date. But hours in office is coming according to my boss. In CIB.
This executive team is obsessive about employees working like slaves. This isn't like colonialism at all.
there are two reports, rank and file managers have the badge swipe report. The new report that tracks hours is limited to more senior managers but will be rolled out to all in time as the kinks are worked out.
they are 100% tracking hours in office and on VPN
Partly true
People managers can monitor is they want to track daily swipe in office. They can track if the employee swiped in the assigned location. Hours spend in the office is not tracked in the dashboard reports.
Minimum of 4 hours, 3 days a week on mine. Number of hours and days in the office depends on LOB.
good luck making that stick with exempt employees. and yes, there is a new report starting to roll out that tracks hours.