Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

What would you do

So I have been at Wells for two years now and although it has a lot of internal problems the work life balance along with a comparable market pay rate for my role is not a bad deal. I work in the CIB line of business.

Unfortunately the CIB business cannot really grow with the asset cap and also historically has been a small player compared the larger firms in terms of products offered and scale of business. Management keeps saying they want CIB to be a top 5 players but I feel like they are 10 years behind from the competition.

Knowing that Wells is under trouble and given that there are little opportunities to grow within CIB, along with the impending recession/layoffs if you had the chance would you take a year or two to upskill yourself or go to another large bank doing the same role for a slightly higher salary. Moving to a larger more mature Bank that has a good CIB business is always good on the resume but I don’t want to get pigeon holed doing the same role.

I am kind of bored in my current role and have identified several things I can do form an upskilling perspective which can hopefully give me more optionality with other roles inside and outside the bank.

However, the low morale, senior management who are just there collecting a paycheck while doing the bare minimum and waiting for retirement, poor technology, Charlie’s cost cutting mandate, catching my managers play games on their phone majority of time, offices where I am the only one who shows up to meet the 3 day mandates significantly impacts my mental health.

Any tips/advice is would be appreciated.

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Post ID: @OP+1iK3hOeo

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It’s going to get harder to find an external role as the economy slows. I was at WF for just over 10 years but left a few weeks ago.

I went to another FI in tech risk and added almost 40% to my comp package. Also much better heath and retirement benefits. My new employer funds certifications AND gives you time to get them done AND a mentor who already has what you’re going for to help you.

My only regret is that I didn’t leave sooner.

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Post ID: @1foc+1iK3hOeo

Get out while you still have enthusiasm.

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Post ID: @cvw+1iK3hOeo

WF will never be able to compete with GS, MS, JPM, etc... I'd find something else before you get too comfortable

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Post ID: @sbs+1iK3hOeo

… And I want Ryan Reynolds to leave Blake Lively for me in 10 years. Wells is NEVER going to be Top 5 in Investment Banking. (Unless we are acquired by a Top 5 IB haha.) We are too far behind the 8 ball, and “Prestigious” does not come to mind when one says Wells Fargo. Additionally - the C-Suite does not have the appetite for risk, they don’t have the focus, they don’t want to pay for talent, they don’t have anything jaw-dropping to compete with the likes of GSCO, MSCO etc. ‘Tis a pipe dream!

As others have said, stay here for a couple years and build your resume, then go to a real Investment Bank. Good luck!

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Post ID: @foz+1iK3hOeo

Yes. A brokerage series 7 license guarantees you employment. It’s a real bear of a test, but you always have a better job than the mail room.

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Post ID: @juz+1iK3hOeo

Don’t leave. Get as many licenses, etc as possible like the series 7, CFA all of their dime. This will make you more marketable in the future. Most importantly, try to build a side hustle. You will never get rich working for someone else. Your side hustle may take off and become a viable business option or it may not. At the very least in will allow you to build some alternative income streams should rainy days come in the future (hint: they will…bc they always do). Best of luck!

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Post ID: @cws+1iK3hOeo

Focus on work life balance. Focus on investing and saving as much money as you can. Psychologically, having money in the bank account will be a nice buffer for all the stress that you will receive from the company.

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Post ID: @ued+1iK3hOeo

I have been with the bank for 8 years. I have had good times and bad times. I am usually my happiest when I have a strong portfolio of work to focus on. 90% of the people I speak with have very little work. Everything is up in the air right now. I honestly cannot believe attrition has not been higher.

I think the main problem is that we get paid too much and unable to find a new job quick enough. Most people are just sitting around collecting a fat paycheck so that is why we see a lot of complacency from all levels. this new "quiet quitting" buzzword is real.

I feel your pain because not having work is nerve racking. It hits the ego. However, time goes quick and before you know it you can still put the experience on the resume. Don't let it get you down. Easy for me to sit here and say it as I have extreme anxiety over my own plight. It feels good to know that I am not the only one and neither are you.

Find something fun to focus on this weekend and come back next week and find some training or networking opportunities come monday.

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Post ID: @ksk+1iK3hOeo

WIM is a joke. It’s been rebranded, repolicied so many times, That infrastructure cannot even keep up with the current policy. Like the previous post, almost every department will have issues.

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Post ID: @ddd+1iK3hOeo

Agree with the Previous two posts. Learn as much as you can on their dime. If more money is your endgame, then use WF to build up your résumé and bail at your first chance of more money. Keep in mind that WF is a large company. If you don’t like the department you are in, apply within to another department. People move around all the time. If you have a horrible manager, learn ways to manage them out. I’ve been doing it for years. My method works. There are subtle ways to promote yourself and at the same time make your manager be the fall guy. If everybody else thinks you’re terrific, and you make things extremely difficult for your supervisor, everybody else will realize/think you have a bad manager. The manager will eventually move on.
Finally, don’t think you’ll ever get settled in. Change happens. Anticipate the unexpected.

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Post ID: @bnr+1iK3hOeo

Dude, your last paragraph about low morale and water-treading managers is spot on! I’m not in CIB, but it’s the same in WIM.

I’d say jump. Upskill at the next jo--t for a nice bump in the process.

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Post ID: @xoc+1iK3hOeo

I’m in almost the exact same spot. Am dialing back my stress on things I can’t control (ie absentee pay check collecting senior management) and just triaging my work. Working on obtaining license and training on WF’s dime to allow me to move in the future while also casually applying to external jobs. Deciding this and realizing it’s not going to get better under current leadership has helped my mental health a lot

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Post ID: @lzp+1iK3hOeo

Here’s what worked for me. I’m now making five times my original salary. It took less than a decade to make it to that point.
Not having much else to do, and always looking for a challenge, I not only did the work for my own team, I also Outsourced myself to other departments in WF because of my diverse skill sets. Yes, I was able to juggle all of this. I not only learned how to do my job, but I also learned to do other peoples jobs. I constantly networked and made acquaintances. Suddenly, teams were coming out of the woodwork, asking my manager if I could help with projects. I was so well admired, I won free trips, lots of awards and accolades. I was a star employee for a while. I now make more money than I could ever imagined. Got a super large bonus last year.
Here’s the downside.
Management changed. Policies changed. Mergers happened. Almost everybody who knew me as a star employee has all since left the company. Nobody really knows me now. I’m somewhere between quietly being fired and quietly quitting. I haven’t bothered looking for other employment within the company. I realized managers come and go, but us worker bees often remained.
So, after many years with this company, you decide what you want to get accomplished. I suggest you learn as much as you can And when (not if) you feel your career stalls, be on the lookout for the next best gig. Keep in mind the company really doesn’t care about you as a person. Policy has changed so much since I’ve joined the company, that it is not even the same company, anymore. My compensation has been negotiated above my head, so many times that I’ve lost track. You will feel like you’re on a roller coaster. It’s not you who have changed. The company keeps evolving.

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