During my 9 years stay with wellsfargo Auto I never seen a single software engineer promoted to one level up.did you experience tge same or its just me?however its very common to see an engineer move to manager level .
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14 years at Wells, all as a developer/engineer. Came in as a 3 and within 3 years I was a 5. I wasn't promoted but rather applied for open positions each time. They just happened to be with my same team. Since then they switched us to senior/lead engineers and I'm currently looking for Lead postings (and outside Wells). I'm more interested in pay than job title so I will most likely be leaving. Being bumped to a Lead I'll be lucky to see $10K. The irony is, out of 4 developers on my scrum, 2 are Leads, 2 are Senior, we all do the same work. According to HR we should all have the same title.
I am going through this NOW!!! I wonder if I should start looking...
I knew a "Software Engineer" who was good at his job, but he was a real pr1ck to work with. He got promoted to manager, and then got a layoff during the spans and layers thing.
Was glad to see him go, frankly.
I don't consider managers to be a "higher level". Most of them are id--ts whose only skills are "people skills", ie they're extroverts.
I've seen very few introverted managers. And I've seen very few extroverts who had any technical talent at all.
I got promoted last review cycle. So did four others i know. Maybe the value you are providing isn’t worth the higher level. Just cause you do your job well doesn’t mean promotion. It means you are where you should be. If you want promotion, show the traits or skills the people a higher level demonstrate. Find solutions that benefit your next level team instead of you personally or your smaller IC team.
“ WF doesn't do promotions, never have.”
They used to. I’ve been around a while and people used to get promoted. I’ve seen it. But then HR (due to EEOC and other regulatory agencies) started making managers document sooo much to prove someone was eligible for a promotion that it wasn’t worth it and then no one got promotions. Have to post for a new position to get one.
It's strange how so many companies promote like it's 1970. Computer people have totally different skills than managers. It would be like promoting NBA players to manage the stadiums they play in or to create a budget for their travel expenses.
WF doesn't do promotions, never have.
Is this another one of those threads where we pretend that companies should promote people doing the same work "just because"? Or are you saying that the higher level positions are posted and internal people never get them? There has to be a business need, promotions aren't a time in service thing, at least they shouldn't be.
This is common practice at WF. And not just in a few groups, sadly. Cut your losses (or lack of gains) and go elsewhere. 20% raise for me leaving WF recently.
15 years at WF, and no promotion for me. But I did move around a lot.
Why did I stay.....? For me it was a quality of life issue. The only reason I stayed with WF was because I was hired as a full time telecommuter from day one, and with a heck of a good salary at that time. Nobody else out there was doing WFH.
Of course my salary hasn't increased much over those years. Half a percent to one percent per year isn't much, and the rest of the world has caught up to my salary to the point where it's nothing special anymore. And if you account for inflation, I've moved backwards.
There were other reasons for me to stay with WF. Had an equivalent opportunity been available anywhere else I'd have taken it.
This absolutely is not the same company that it was 10 or 15 years ago.
Maybe it is because of your bad grammar and spelling?
You never saw software engineer promoted, but do see engineer promoted to manager? Huh?
Before the recent title changes, someone could get promoted and you wouldn’t know. Application Systems Engineer 4-6, all showed the same in teamworks or GAL as Application Systems Engineer. Unless someone would update their signature line with levels, you would have no clue if they were 4, 5, or 6 and if they moved up between those levels.
9 years and no promotion or opportunities for one?! I had to freaking bounce around from one LOB to another to get promoted in my years of working here. Otherwise, I’d still be in a role I absolutely hated and probably would’ve quit. However, there’s another post about the hub location issue and promotions so I am encouraging you to post out or find another job altogether. Being stagnant in one role for that long when you want to grow is not good for you!!!!!