2nd levels reporting to 2nd levels is d-mb.
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I was a second line that reported to a second line, the after a reorganization a second line was inserted into the chain. So 2nd<2nd<2nd<4th. I raised he-l and was moved under the 4th line. I had worked hard to get to that level and was a second line when I joined that team, no way was I going to be in a position that made it easy for them to bust me.
I remember they had directors with no one under them WTH
Must of been one of those special people on the special program from college.
L2 reporting to L2 is very common over the last 10-15 years, since the expansion of the "Area Manager" title. I've worn both hats, as a L2 "Area Manager" and as an L2 individual contributor reporting to an Area Manager. Why anyone would want to be an L2 Area Manager today is beyond me. Yes, give me a gig where I am in the same pay scale as my direct reports (the number of which gets higher every year, in many orgs it's now 20+). In addition to all of the normal personnel issues that go along with it, I get to be the head of the complaint department for those 20+ people; constantly the bearer of bad and then worse news. Back in the day, those with ladder climbing aspirations might have viewed this as a necessary stepping stone to Director level or above. Today, the thought of that is laughable regardless of talent and credentials for those of a certain demographic (you know which one I am talking about). So, what exactly would be the up side to taking a L2 Area Manager gig? I just don't see it.
They used to be called senior technical directors
Before I retired my Director moved us Area Managers under another Area Manager.
She was a color quota who was d-mb as a box of rocks but I reported to her. Just
kept doing my job, couldn't explain my responsibilities so we just talked about cooking chicken on the grill and soccer practice. Only thing I could see was it gave the Director more time to golf.
I'm a level 2 that reports to a level 2 and it's a bad situation. We have a putz who is even more afraid to make a decision than the levels 3 managers are and is really just a peer that has to do the manager stuff without much reward for doing it. All in the interest of reducing pay levels in the hierarchy (but didn't actually reduce the number of org chart levels). Searching job openings, they are all called associate directors and are simply "managers" in name only. I don't know why anyone would want that title.
Let's add another level, because some small thinkers can't handle having fewer! Brilliant!
att cannot manage period
Neither of you dum***s has a clue what you’re talking about. Go back to union land.
You should care as all of them make between 120k and 160k ish.
Who cares?
2nd levels are useless as tats on a snake.