Such a bunch of whiners, if you don't want to RTO, then don't. There are lots of WFH opportunities out there. Please stop the whining! We have already delayed the RTO multiple times and if we delay it again, the next time around, same whining. Stop it!
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“Our leadership team has been very firm on RTO for its pros. There's just lack of oversight with WFH. I am ready to go back to the office myself.
21h ago by Anonymous
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Post ID: @tgf+1ekkEVi7”
Lol, you like to be policed and micromanaged? Business has been thriving since WFH. nothing has been lacking. Nothing. Join the new world. Most of the jobs we do don’t require us to be in the office. Things have been going on perfectly during wfh. Sure there was an adjustment period, but once that happened, it was all smooth.
Post ID: @qau+1ekkEVi7
Plug and play programming gets you plug and play programmers. Problem is when things go off the happy path, they have no clue what to do.
But you get what you pay for, and it’s all about being cheap.
The elite don’t like people who think though, it might interfere with their plans for the sheep.
There are a lot of whiners on this board. OP is spot on.
@1smg+1ekkEVi7
It comes from putting people in positions they are qualified for, then overwriting every decision or demanding some sort of exception to the rules they set. Many of our issues this year are from the same thing.
I’m amused that WF cannot probably fail over customer facing applications in the event of a data center outage, but does have gobs of applications and people to watch employees stare aghast at the latest nasty gram from management or measure how far their mouse moves. Obviously results and customers do not matter.
@vhm+1ekkEVi7
Most sites don’t have a cafeteria. They might have restaurants near by, but only a few have an actual cafeteria on site.
WONDEREING WILL THE CAFTERIA BE BACK OPEN - WHAT WE SUPPOSE TO GRUB ON
Oh the irony. You came to an anonymous message board to whine about whiners.
@bjv+1ekkEVi7
No. It's not.
@bte+1ekkEVi7 and @qau+1ekkEVi7
I'm aware of this. Some testing is going to be automated even more than it is now. Other testing will require time and date stamping each instance, and each time testing starts or stops. Some groups do this now, others have a more open environment. It will all shift to be done the exact same way very soon.
Add to that the productivity scores that are coming and what he said makes a lot of sense.
@bte+1ekkEVi7
I'll say this - there is going to be a push for standardization and not just in our workplace, but many. There will be an even bigger push for more cookie-cutter programming as well. You won't have as many people trying to put together a whole puzzle - those roles will be limited. Instead, you'll have someone popping in a missing piece here and there and it will just be a matter of selecting the right piece that fits. It can all be tracked, and easily. The people that think they are getting away with something will soon really have nothing to hide behind - in office or remote. It will be an even bigger numbers game that it is now, once the necessary cuts are finished.
There is going to be an end to the guy who knows it all. No more heavy hitters in each group. It will be an army of clones instead. One leaves and another is put down in his place to continue the work. That big push begins next year.
"Then it would show on our reports that operations were running in excel or another tool for a long period of time. "
LOL no. Just no. Any coder who writes it as one long-running operation deserves to get caught though.
And you can lock down scripting all you want, but unless you're going to not have programmers working here, whose job is to write and run code all day, you're never going to prevent them from gaming the system.
@bac+1ekkEVi7
Yes, the portal tool as you call it will turn the local device into a terminal basically and lock down all tools and applications. Any support activities will need to be done through the support tool only and application installs uninstalls or configuration beyond only a small amount of allowed configs will be blocked. Every time something is done on the device it's time and date stamped, logged, and saved automatically.
So many lacking creativity on this board. How do you think evolutions and revolutions happen? We adapt and pivot to something better and more innovative.
e.g.,
- Industrial revolution
- Digital revolution (computers/internet)
- Biomedical revolution
- Remote work revolution!
Rethink spaces, repurpose office spaces for housing, continue to innovate food delivery, etc. Even malls are already being converted to housing.
Suck lack of imagination. Brain rot is what ki--s innovation. Move aside "But that's the way we've always done it!" lemmings.
@rjg+1ekkEVi7
Then it would show on our reports that operations were running in excel or another tool for a long period of time. It would show as orange/red and then it gets investigated and logged. Why do you think scripting is being locked down so hard, and remote registry was blocked for so many? Soon, when our portal product comes out for everyone, our field teams will have a new tool to use for support that is logging their activities as much as it is tracking their work. I'm talking measuring down to the second to be sure every single minute spent logged in is spent working.
People not being in offices is not what's causing san frans problems. As for the economy needs to be good, those working from home have a significant amount of extra money at their disposal they can spend on consumer goods.
@igq+1ekkEVi7
You are not my IT. Of course I can name the apps. But I won't because it would give away my job. Many of you guys reach out to us though when that extra data is needed. It's a fun tool. It doesn't even run in the task tray or have any identification that it is running that the end user can see.
@yxq+1ekkEVi7 Like what I said, I am your IT, what do you know. Can you name me the specific app that you're talking about? We track access to confidential data, every stroke of your keyboard, and that's about it. Of course that matters.
" There are plenty of tools that measure performance and availability of employees while working remotely and none of them can be circumvented."
LMAO! Maybe they can't be circumvented by most people, but tech is affected, and many of them have the ability to generate fake activity to keep the lights green. It's not hard to have a script move the mouse and type and delete random characters all day long. You could even hide the code in an Excel workbook.
With a couple extra hours effort you could even make the pattern of activity look human.
With a few days of improvements on it you could even program it with usage patterns that mimic what you normally do, and have it switch tasks, take breaks, etc.
@cte+1ekkEVi7
That must be hard to be out of the loop that far. I'm in IT as well, and I am well aware of at least 4 tools they could use to measure numbers. But I am not in the group that runs them or uses them. I got a nice little demo last year though, when one of my teammates was fired.
@cte+1ekkEVi7
No lie, we use these tools on a daily basis.
@uth+1ekkEVi7 Lie or you're just too psychotic. I have been in IT for 20 years and this company is so backwards, it's so laughable.
@iak+1ekkEVi7
Productive work is tracked heavily. Non-productive work - as far as telemetry goes - is being scrutinized, and the amount of people allowed to have high amounts of non-productive work - meaning no telemetry data available - is getting slimmer by the day.
My oh my! We are in this same boat for how many times already: RTO declared, people whine, RTO postponed, and the cycle repeats. Guess what, I found another job that's completely WFH and it pays a lot more! I am starting early next year, I just waited for my matching. Whoohoo!!!!
@vyw+1ekkEVi7
I am too and there's at least a dozen. Minimum of 6 installed on each machine that can be used to gauge performance. More that are installed or can be installed to get more granular detail. We can see how long you have an email open, what you did with the email, what app you switched to after reading or deleting the email, location data, time away, how far the mouse moves, how many clicks each person makes in a day, amount of time in between mouse movements, granular detail about network connections down to the home, and much more. Cross reference with time and date stamps or other online activity, and you can even get a good idea of who is posting here.
Sure there are, but not all work involves a click, a call, etc. Not all work can be tracked, not yet anyway. Some of us problem solve. Until they require a brain implant they can't track thought.
@tdw+1ekkEVi7
False. It may cause some empty buildings until something can be done with them, but it will not ki-l the economy in any way shape or form. Consumers will still spend their money, albeit on other things. It's the same argument sports teams try to use when they want taxpayers to foot the bill of their stadiums. If the team leaves, fine. Jobs will be obtained elsewhere, consumers will spend their dollars on other entertainment.
@zez+1ekkEVi7 I am in your IT and I can confirm that there's not an accurate tool we use to monitor resources. MS Teams has built in analytics but that's not enough.
@jkw+1ekkEVi7 In the big city I am in now, all of us are going out and about, like pre-pandemic. It's easier to get covid in the packed mall or grocery store than in the office, that's for sure. You are not going to convince this company to shut down its offices and the many small businesses that surrounds them. You will ki-l the economy.
OP is obvious troll. Please don’t give this poster the pleasure of a response or even a downtick.
@tgf+1ekkEVi7
There is zero lack of oversight. There are plenty of tools that measure performance and availability of employees while working remotely and none of them can be circumvented. If you think there is a lack of oversight, it means you aren't keeping up with the tools we use.
@jkw+1ekkEVi7 Then QUIT and go somewhere else that supports your values. Many a small mom and pop shop.
OP and OP supporters:
Some of us don't want to put our health at risk. You know, RISK...that thing WF drills into our heads with every training module and email about mitigating (aka do as execs say, not as they do). I guess mitigating risk only matters when it benefits WF. Not when it involves employees' health.
And, NO, WF has not mitigated risks sufficiently. People can be carriers of COVID, use fake vaxx cards, etc.
HVAC and plumbing/toilets upgraded? NOT. Employee honor system on cleaning unassigned spaces twice a day? Seriously???
If we're having to wear masks in the office, then we shouldn't even BE in the office. Period.
@yfx+1ekkEVi7 WFC has become irrelevant, what are you talking about. Is it the #1 bank?
Post ID: @zdl+1ekkEVi7
All depends on where you live I guess. Where I am, everything is open and everything is full. Tourists are here and almost everyone is back in the office. Nobody wears masks and it's business as usual. I hear that San Fran and NYC are in serious financial trouble (not to mention the increase in crime) because people aren't working in offices. It's swings and roundabouts - most people don't have the luxury of WFH so yeah, a lot of the comments here seem pretty whiney. Whether 1/10 holds or not with Omicron remains to be seen but we're a capitalist country and the money wants people back in the office. It's a great time to change jobs or retire.
Our leadership team has been very firm on RTO for its pros. There's just lack of oversight with WFH. I am ready to go back to the office myself.
Adapt or become irrelevant.
Why does WF want to be irrelevant?
OK, so take those unused buildings and turn them into housing, which can be leased/sold. There's your profit. Don't be a AMC/Blockbuster when the rest of the world is wanting Netflix/HBO Max.
People aren't going to return en masse to restaurants or other things for years. Some might, but it won't be enough to keep them open, and that is if they have enough workers to stay open in the first place. The economy is just as healthy when people work from home. They are still spending money on goods and services, and not wasting it on unneeded parking, traffic, restaurants, toll fees, mass transit costs, and so on. Stress is lower too, and happier employees who have more money in their pockets will put that money into other things, thereby helping other economic sectors. Law of substitution. Let those other things die. Write them off and move into the digital age, or get left behind.
The bank succeeds when the economy is healthy. Just imagine a new world with most working from home. That's reduced spending, specially on many capitalized assets (i.e, buildings). No rentals/leases = no revenue = no work for you. So RTO!
You seem upset