Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

@1wcm+1dv4GqUP
Location strategy. 40 miles for some and 60 miles for others. You need to be near one of nine hub cities. If not, it's going to be rough.

Charlotte
San Francisco
New York
Minneapolis
TX {currently San Antonio}
Chandler AZ {for now - watch for Dallas TX to displace AZ}
St Louis {for now}
Denver
Miami

Hr is no help. They refer back to manager.

Where can I find details or the HR policy about job location being more than 40 miles away?

You are correct. If you are directed to a job location that is 40 miles or more from your assigned work location, that is considered a material job change. The company needs to give you time to comply with the change and there's also a choice. This should have come to you as a letter that basically said "you are to report at this location effective this date."

My suggestion is to open an HR case ASAP and cite the part of the policy where it states that more than 40 miles from your previous location is material, include whatever you received about your new location, and indicate that it is a hardship (don't say that you "won't" because that could be interpreted as voluntary resignation) to report to work at the new location and you are seeking another option.

Don't propose another option (e.g. "please sever me") - just leave it to them to propose another option.

Concurrently, open enrollment is coming up. I suggest that anyone who is concerned about their role to pay for the legal services benefit. It's very low cost and, frankly, worth it. I used it for a lot of ad hoc counsel as a beneficiary of my parents' will, as well as for my own family matters and it saved me thousands. You can absolutely use this benefit to advocate on your behalf for employment matters. For $10/mo, or whatever it is, it's worth it.

Good luck.

@dww+1dv4GqUP You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Big ups to you bubba.

Let us know how things play out

The process is documented in the benefits book. Who to send a letter to, and when. If you got tricked into waiting too long to send the letter, you are probably sol. In the substantial job change process at least.

Do some research, and lawyer up for round two.

Rubber Chuckie is having a town hall on the 28th. Time to ask him some questions.

@nne+1dv4GqUP

I agree with you, but the 'If' is a big caveat. There's nothing in the OP post that describes the alleged "jerk" behavior. Is it based merely on the RTO plan, that the manager has nothing to do with? Is it because last year's raise/bonus wasn't big enough? People make a lot of accusations on this site, but they are almost universally incredibly vague...to the point where it seems like they are vague because the OP themselves know that they are making a mountain from a mole hill. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the Boss is the biggest jerk in the history of Bosses, but I'll have to hear more than "they are a jerk" before I'll buy it, just like I wouldn't buy it if the Boss was on here saying that their IC was a jerk with no additional info.

I live 62.5 Miles from my RTO Address and everyone else on my team is staying remote but me. My manager did not care and after 11 years Remote I am looking for opportunities outside WF.

@tob+1dv4GqUP
Makes no difference. All telecommute contracts are voided with the RTO announcement.

This person was hired to telecommute. There is no office to return to. Do you want to stay working? Let HR know. With the 40 miles documentation and your original offer letter if you still have it. And it says something in your favor.

Personally I'd draft an Email to HR quoting the benefits book/handbook about how any change in work location over 40 miles away is a "material change", and because of that you have the option to take severance instead, so are requesting it.

That's just me, though.

If a manager has a history of abusive behavior, an employee is loathe to tell them anything that would maje it wasier to victimize the employee.

He isnt being petty, he's reporting the news in thier relationship to date.

Curious - is your next position outside of WF going to allow you 100% remote?
Based only on your post, This is a company that has provided you with the ability to work remotely. Their business model has changed. They hired you to perform a service.
They have a right to let you go because you no longer fit the model. You have the right to leave if you are unable to adjust to the new model. Severance is a privilege and a bonus this company maybe willing to provide while you transition. I sincerely hope that at some time in your life YOU own a business and some "jerk" that doesn't like your business model demands you pay him after he leaves or you let them go. Seriously, look in the mirror.

I'd say decline to move and then document the fu-k out of everything that happens afterwards. If you have a consistent record of good performance (and reviews are right around the corner), you probably could successfully contest any potential firing.

Can usually tell the employees from non-employees. WFC employees read about 1/3 of an email or posting.

@uhu+1dv4GqUP

Gee, I don't know, maybe this quote?

"Truth be told, I'd prefer that my exit be a total suprise to that jerk."

Good grief.

"I see here is a guy that wants to keep secrets from his/her manager and blind side them with their departure."

Evidence for this?

"The real problem is your manager"

Evidence for this? Jerkiness is a two way street, and all I see here is a guy that wants to keep secrets from his/her manager and blind side them with their departure.

The company is trying to save 10 billion dollars according to public statements. There is no severance package. While there still is a remote work status, you need to be in touch with HR to make that possible. Otherwise, RTO is about thinning the herd.

The real problem is your manager. If they are a jerk, then file your concerns with HR. But it is easier to find a new opportunity with a company that has more common sense. RTO is a real estate play, you'll still end up on the phone with co-workers in different states.

You can’t. Severance begins with your manager. Suck it up and say you won’t return due to a material chance in work location

Without raising suspicion to your manager and a strategy to “speed up the process.”

Short Term Disability and/or Long Term Disability. If you have been putting off any medical procedures I suggest you get them done this year and next year. Bad knees? Frozen shoulder? Hip replacement? Etc, etc.

Based on your Years of Service , you will get 100% Base Salary of STD Benefits for 26 weeks per year. At week 27 you get 65% of your Base Salary if you opted for LTD Coverage during benefits enrollment. If you did not opt for the additional LTD, it will be 50% of your base salary.

Once you are LTD approved, you will be paid this amount until your Social Security Retirement Eligibility age. For some it’s 65, other 67 and so on.

Remember that you no longer have job protection of FMLA after 12 weeks. So you are speeding up the process of getting a Severance Package, since your position can’t be filled during those 12 weeks or backfilled until you are gone.

I noticed after 19 years that the “seniors” who did this eventually got the pink slip. As if it set off alarms in HR to flag them. It hastened their Severance Packages in addition to having financial and medical benefits.

Is it gaming the system? Absolutely. Learn to play the game to your benefit. You paid for it.

Crack open the Benefits Book and read it Chapter by Chapter, Line for Line. Use the knowledge to your advantage.

Send email to the manager...

"Dear X, after 15 years of service I would like to tender my resignation, effective January 9th, 2022. I have enjoyed working at WF and appreciate your leadership over the last Y years. It's been a pleasure working with you.

Signed,

Some guy"

It's really not that hard.

Give it up. That cant happen. HR would notify your manager immediately.