Looks like it's in place, all business travel requires vaccinations. Never mind that everyone can do infinity personal travel, come into close contact with others that have traveled, and spend the day licking doorknobs at Walmart and it's just fine...somehow work travel specifically is dangerous and unacceptable behavior. No idea why they are doing this. Makes no practical sense, and the government isn't requiring it. Sounds like baseless coercion and divide/conquer tactics. Time for exemptions.
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No vaxed Travel ban does not apply to those registered as LGBT. See HR publication posted Friday.
We at Meetings and Events have had non-stop traveling assignments risking our lives going all over the U.S. and Europe over the past year and a half. Amazing that some of our co-“workers” (and I use the term loosely) can’t be bothered to even return to the office or a new hub or location.
Our travel was dangerous, but needed, so we gave it our all. When business trips and conferences return to normal you are going to be stunned at the new locations and venues we have researched. Now let’s all get back to office and back to normal.
Chuckles is just following orders from World Economic Forum. Gotta pump up those vax numbers to reach depopulation targets.
The only allowable exemption is to quit.
Arguing that people can expose themselves however they want in their personal time is the perfect argument for Vaccine mandates for continued employment. The bank runs a huge risk with having unvaccinated people in close proximity, particularly without masks.
Implementing both policies is sound risk management. If an entire site gets exposed the company would much rather the employees there have a 5x better chance(per the CDC) at avoiding serious complications [vaxxed] than not [unvaxxed].
One or two mission critical teams going down for 18 days would be catastrophic.
You need to read more research. "Negative efficacy" is a thing. Thanks for your legal opinion though.
There are no restrictions on personal travel because your employer can't tell you where to go and what to do when you're not at work.
Wells lawyers probably want business travelers to get shots to limit liabilty if you get sick after you travel for the company.
Trying to sort it out beyond that and twisting yourself into knots with walmart doorknobs is just weird.
It's about legal liabilty, that's all.
Well, that and science. Grow up, get your shots.
Then why is unlimited personal travel allowed with no quarantines? (Unless there are state requirements). This "problem" could be completely resolved with a simple waiver, if your assessment is accurate--and I would tend to agree that it's likely.
this has nothing to do with you giving covid to someone, it has to do with reducing your risk of getting COVID while traveling which you are at a higher risk of then just sitting in an office all day with a mask on. we are all insured by Wells Fargo while at work and especially when on travel so it may even have to do with our adjusters cutting is a break if we mandate it for travel.
@jtu+1dBC2uRc
Me, a Wells employee: "Wells is a private company and can implement hubs and whatever the he-l else it wants to, so suck it up."
Also me, a Wells employee: Wells can implement safety measures for their employees, best go get the vaccine now if you want to actively participate in the world as a Wells representative.
I HAD to travel for work and now I have Covid! I’m telling my story all over social media! I’m calling the press! I just got off the phone with my lawyer. He says we can sue for millions!
Kick somebody out of the hospital! Im on my way!
I can't wait to sent my plague-ridden children with zero vaccinations off to school.
Where a building is and injecting potentially lethal stuff into your body... definitely the same thing. Definitely.
Nevermind that mandates are illegal in some states.
Certain Wells employees: "Wells is a private company and can implement hubs and whatever the he-l else it wants to, so suck it up."
Those same Wells employees: "The company can't make me take a vaccine!!!"
You silly g00se.
Bring your complaints out in the open at work and maybe they will listen.
Why on earth were you ever hired in the first place?
A mandate won't prevent anything from sweeping through any building--that's the problem. There's multiple known instances of 100% vaccinated populations in which infections sweep though. So...
Have everyone sign waivers that say the lawyer approved version of 'life in dangerous' and move on.
This is only going in one direction, despite all the "whatabout"-ism that happens on this discussion board.
If you really won't get vaccinated to keep your job - get off this board and focus on your job search 'cause it's coming.
There is a strong social travel culture here. IMO, that’s when some (a lot?) of us get our side no---e. I have seen a lot, and heard even more. We are a fun, good looking crowd.
It’s not just the s3x. We form a lot of close bonds when traveling repeatedly with the same project team. Pre-COVID that was not such a bad thing. Now, I don’t want these same coworkers infecting me, or anyone I come in contact with between my house and work site. I don’t want to bring COVID back to my family like some STD.
It’s these traveling f*cktards that are going to ruin it for me. I’m going to lose my job if I decline traveling. I already have one offsite I am blowing off. The surprise RTO email signals the end of our respite.
Yes, my vaccine will likely keep me out of the hospital. No, I don’t want to feel anything like I did for even a day like I did after my second vaccination shot. I’m hearing stories of five days like that. Total sh1t. No thanks, Charlie.
Anyone can poke holes in any decision. WFC is saying that if you are traveling for them, and representing them to others - you must be vaccinated. If you don’t like it, then don’t do it and pay whatever business consequences result from it. That’s all they need is some news story where someone from WFC exposed everyone at a conference.
I think this gives insight to how they are leaning, and is a precursor to a vaccine mandate. WFC is all about protecting themselves and their liabilities. They can’t afford to have Covid sweeping through a building. They want to do it - they are just working out the kinks with their lawyers.
No, I'm saying that employees can engage in any kind of risky behavior that they want and there's no policy against it, but if they rent a car, then it's unacceptable risk. That makes no sense. The new policy doesn't just cover air travel, it covers car rentals, hotel stays etc. also. How does that make sense? It doesn't.
Contract tracing can absolutely identify hotspots. Whether someone could successfully sue over exposure is yet unproven.
so what you are saying is that your hobby is to lick door handles at Walmart?
Looks like the anti-vaxxers have nothing better to do on a Monday. Must have gotten kicked off Twitter again.
Because airports were cesspools before COVID and now have the risk of COVID added in. I don't plan on flying public airlines for a long time.
No one will ever prove in any court of law that they got COVID from a specific exposure. It's a pretty contagious disease, and the defense could always create reasonable doubt about where a specific person got it in any realistic scenario. Sure, if you're on the space station you might be able to prove you got exposed by a specific person, but here in Earth it's literally impossible to not have reasonable doubt. Liability isn't the concern, especially when you can take as much personal travel as you want and then roll right into the office.
@smu+1dBC2uRc, my hunch is that they feel they have more control over exposures in the office environment. Plus, what if you were involved in an incident over masks while traveling?
MN is to cold for any mere virus to survive.
(Yes censor nahzees, that's a joke, relax)
Liability that only comes into play in very specific scenarios? What about all the other exposure one might face while working?
It’s to protect the of us from employees who lives in Iowa and Minnesota. They could just put a travel ban on them and leave the rest of us alone.
Liability. If you get exposed to COVID while working, in theory there could be liability.
Looks like they are still calling all travel 'voluntary'. Guess who won't be volunteering? Not sure how this will impact folks who's job requires tons of travel to be viable. No mention in the policy.