Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

What if CS and JD are working together?

It's a potentially brilliant scheme.

Two years ago, JD quietly makes a few well-placed calls recommending CS as a candidate for our new CEO. CS fakes being hard to get which erases any concerns our BOD might have about the relationship and they even pay up for him. Now JD has a friend sitting at the helm of one of his major competitors.

CS wants to “simply the business” and “cut costs”.

So he starts selling off profitable LOBs. (Huh? They are making money but not ENOUGH money????)

He stops our FAs from working with all international accounts (Huh??? You want to REDUCE rather then EXPAND our capacity to do business ???? )

He quietly alienates experienced employees and management teams which creates a toxic corrosive atmosphere from the inside out.

He spends much of the bank’s capital on company stock buybacks rather than improving the firm’s infrastructure and long -term stability. The rising stock price temporarily keeps investors happy which prevents anyone from asking too many questions.

He spends more of the bank’s capital on bringing in more inside men and even creates new executive roles. (Huh? I thought we were trying to cut costs??? Who are these people and why are we paying UP for them??? )

He never communicates any long-term goals or strategies for the bank. Nothing new, Nothing promising. Puts out a couple new credit cards to make it appear as if he’s trying. In fact, he’s nearly invisible as a leader. (People keep their mouths shut when they are hiding something. Less chance to say something you shouldn’t.)

A few years from now, WFC either:

  1. goes belly -up from shrinking profits and inability to compete in a rapidly changing world, or
  2. shrinks to a size where (surprise!) JD can buy us.

And WFC is out of the picture as a once major competitor, and everyone is scratching their heads wondering how it all went so wrong.

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Post ID: @OP+1csVcRbI

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I have said this for awhile now. They are in cahoots. Why do you think most of his picks are from JPM? They have been converting Wells into JPM's little brother. Wells Fargo culture has been dead for awhile and JPM's culture has been taking over. They are preparing us.

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Post ID: @2sfp+1csVcRbI

What??? Criminal/illegal activities at a financial institution?? That would be truly shocking!!!!

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Post ID: @1hyr+1csVcRbI

Considering who he was talking about, I think you made his point.

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Post ID: @1vyu+1csVcRbI

If they wanted to do some real corrupt sh!t, they would have hired Karl Rove.

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Post ID: @1kip+1csVcRbI

@1obs+1csVcRbI

not the same. What the OP is talking about (and you are describing ) is flat out criminal/illegal.

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Post ID: @1hyr+1csVcRbI

Someone mentioned Daley, a 1000% political hire if there ever was one. Where is the shame?

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Post ID: @1qbh+1csVcRbI

Sorry, but you’re living in Fantasyland if you cannot imagine a scenario where JD can benefit from having his protege at the helm of one of his competitors. That’s like saying Trump Sr wouldn’t benefit from Trump Jr heading up the Democratic Party.

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Post ID: @1obs+1csVcRbI

Nice fantasy/fan fiction.

You have to look at motivation. JD and CS have nothing to gain and everything to lose from something like that.

This is a different question than whether the bank can "fail" - as others have said on this thread, there is a living will which provides for an orderly set of events to either remediate or break up the company in a triggering event.

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Post ID: @1qbh+1csVcRbI

CS = 🐓🍭

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Post ID: @1rko+1csVcRbI

surprisingly makes sense, but not the failure part but prrhaps a merger in the making

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Post ID: @1knl+1csVcRbI

Yes, the Board have questioned whether picking Jamie Damon’s protege to run Wells Fargo presented a potential conflict of interest? It shows a general lack of wisdom and judgement on our Board’s part. I have never been comfortable with the “he’s the only guy who accepted the job” explanation. One would hope for higher standards from the group who is supposed to be acting as a fiduciary for our shareholders.

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Post ID: @1wmi+1csVcRbI

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Avoiding all that nonsense is why Daley is in the payroll. His job is calling in favors. The gov isn't coming after WF. What you see in hearings is various political hacks acting mad to get votes back home and to ahhh, 'encourage contributions' from WF, and they'll get them, because that's how DC works. We have a tribute system, kind of like Rome.

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Post ID: @1xit+1csVcRbI

WFC is considered a TBTF institution, however the FDIC and Living Will does not prevent or guarantee a bank from failing. It is designed to prevent “a disorderly failure” which could negatively affect the banking system as a whole.

The government could step in and support a failing bank with tax dollars, could call for an orderly liquidation, or facilitate a merger. A large unhealthy bank can also be sold piecemeal.

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Post ID: @1qki+1csVcRbI

@1pxt The FDIC does not guarantee anything owned by any of the examples you list except WaMu.

When the FDIC put WaMu into receivership it had 30 billion in deposits. WF has like 1.5 trillion.

I’ll repeat my statement, the FDIC won’t allow WF to fail. Too big to fail banks have living wills, if the bank is headed toward actual failure, it will begin with that.

The current executive team is riding the fat paycheck gravy train. They have no plans for anything other than enriching themselves. The asset cap is 4 years old, and I don’t think anyone with regulatory power will look at this go, oh yeah CS and team turned things around.

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Post ID: @1lnx+1csVcRbI

I found it interesting that the 2 banks were paired together by the media. In a recent headline: Wells Fargo and JPMorgan Seek To Introduce Bitcoin Funds They are another pair of renowned banks to broaden their interest in cryptocurrency.

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Post ID: @1jgk+1csVcRbI

If? IF our CEO is a puppet for the CEO of JPM?!

Look at his pedigree! The pedigree of his finfrat bros! That man is either being set up to take over as CEO of JPM when their current retires, or he's placing our bank in a position perfect for "merge" in takeover.

NOTHING happening right now is for the good of WF as a whole. It is setting the stage for a long game.

This is the stuff of HBO drama fodder, but it's happening in real time and we're all privileged to go along for the ride.

Mark my words, CS will be the CEO of JPM within 5 years time, and the son in law of JPMs CEO who is now hiding out as the "head of small business" at WF will be running the show here in 10.

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Post ID: @1ohn+1csVcRbI

It is certainly suspect the amount of valuable he allowed to walk out the door. Selling or closing down entire profitable divisions was just plain d-mb and all it did was nourish the competition (my friend is one of many that left and took 100's of millions of client assets).

The fact that they can't make decisions is telling. Look what happened with the 401k match debacle. Then the recent line of credit debacle...so much in-fighting and lack of organization.

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Post ID: @1gad+1csVcRbI

All good points. What is WFs strategy? What is the plan?

No plan has been communicated. Everyone logs in every day. No clue.

What is WFs 5 year plan? All we’ve heard is “we plan to cut costs”. Ok? Hmm

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Post ID: @1ybf+1csVcRbI

I’m glad to see someone pointing out potential conflicting interests. Not all is always as it appears. OP’s final conclusions may or may not be exactly right, but he/she asks important questions.

To Post ID: @rla+1csVcRbI: I disagree that the FDIC wouldn’t allow WFC to fail. Let’s not be naive. That may have been true before all the repeated scandals, mismanagement and lack of operational oversight. In case you haven’t noticed, we are still in the penalty box and that is for good reason. I would bet they would happily see us disappear - whatever shape that takes, no one could say. (I’ll bet there were many who at one time would have said regulators would never let firms like Lehman, Bear Sterns and Washington Mutual fail.)

It would have been smart for someone to ask more questions in relation to the intentions of the leaders of:

*TWA (Icahn focused on short-term profit rather than long-term investment in it’s
systems - sounds familiar.)
*Blockbuster and Tower Records (old-school leadership failed to recognize the world was changing, which led to their inability to compete and eventual demise.)
*Worldcom (why did no one ask questions about various manipulations to falsely make the company appear more valuable than it was.) (Why is our CEO and Board so keen to spend $billions of our capital on stock buybacks.)
*Adelphia Communications (leaders spent company capital to buy back company stock, and then used the rise in company stock price to enrich themselves with vacation homes, corporate jets and new cars.)

Asking questions and pointing out inconsistencies is smart.

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Post ID: @1pxt+1csVcRbI

Um, to make your scheme work, BOTH WF and JPM would have to shrink their deposits by 50% to meet regulations on max market share of deposits.

The FDIC is not going to let WF fail.

The more likely explanation for Scharf is that he is a hatchet man only, a one trick pony. He will never care about the bank, it’s employees or it’s customers - the evidence of this is abundant.

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Post ID: @axo+1csVcRbI

Let me guess: You think Bernie Madoff was a sweet old grandpa and didn’t mean to lose all the nice people’s money.

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Post ID: @qmh+1csVcRbI

Of course CS and JD are coordinating efforts. JD was and is CS's mentor (even got CS to hire his relative in high-level role at WF!)

MASSIVE conflict of interest.

The fact that WF BOD chose to place a fox in the hen house is utter stupidity. Unless the BOD is in on the grift, too.

We are all sheep in this game of checkers and the level of unethical behavior among leadership is staggering.

THIS is what the govt. should be concerned about.

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Post ID: @hdw+1csVcRbI

@wdf+1csVcRbI Charlie Scharf and Jamie Dimon. You can google them. Even if you are an outsider to Wells Fargo and Chase. Can we see a future ChaseFargo? Now to address the OP comment. Who really knows what will be at some point in time. An observation can be that Charlie WAS brought in to straighten things with the regulators, the customers, and, not in the least, keep us from tanking. I hope my job is not one of them.

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Post ID: @pvl+1csVcRbI

This is quite tinfoil(y). However I will say that Scharf either has or has attempted to sell of a certain LOB at every stop he's been...

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Post ID: @qmi+1csVcRbI

if you don't know who CS and JD are, you are part of the problem

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Post ID: @fvm+1csVcRbI

Who da heck are CS and JD? The laziness of employees to write out names ratger than abbeviate is part of why they are being laid off. Goodness!

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Post ID: @wdf+1csVcRbI

Smart!

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Post ID: @btb+1csVcRbI

Totally possible scenario.
An other one that comes to mind, people who allowed for WF & Wachovia merger, decided that WF has to be broken down now no matter what.. and that’s how CS and JD got involved.

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