How do you suppose time will be measured for salaried employees? Years ago when I worked with Legal and other highly compensated ICs, their game was to log in from home, make an appearance for a handful of hours, and finish taking meetings on their back deck in the afternoons. Am I supposed to believe these folks will be held accountable for 8.5 hours between swipe in/swipe out on their 3 days in office?
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Badge swipe reports, floor marshals, but also the extensive list of monitoring tools built into the apps we have loaded. They can see how long your mouse has been idle, so don’t think you can badge in and go hide in a quiet room with a group “collaborating”. They can see which apps you use the most. They can see what tab in your browser is active or is used the most. They can see when each app or tab was used last. They can see what your last action in that app was - they just can’t see the data you are putting in for security purposes. They can see what you've done on your device before connecting to VPN as well. Some of our apps generate a productivity score that will be used in the near future. They can also tell if you are using a fake mouse mover or tools to make it look like you are working. Exempt or non exempt, the pressure will be applied from multiple angles once we RTO. Everything will be numbers-based for your performance review. Exempt or non-exempt, everyone is under the microscope down to the minute once we RTO.
Hourly cube checks from 8-6
I’m sure it will be managed differently for each department. My plan is go in to the office in the AM then drive home during lunch and finish the day. All my meetings are Skype.
If management has a problem with that then that’s on them. I can find another job very quickly in my field.
I had a manager who told us we had to take a minimum of 2 hours of PTO anytime we were not "available" between the hours of 8am and 5pm.
Didn't matter how many hours we worked in a day or in a week.
Even if we worked 14 hours on a particular day, if we were not "available" for even 1 minute between 8am and 5pm we would get "docked" 2 hours of PTO.
That manager eventually had a heart attack or something.
Serious question. If you are salary, what if you are doing 10 hours on your days wfh? Or you are working on something and spend 11 hours at home? How will they track that against swipes in office if they are flagging anyone who shows less than 8 hours in office?
WTF? They're going to start tracking hours in the office for exempt staff? That's BS.
So when I'm dealing with early meetings (b/c of east coast hours) or late to deal with something else that needs attention, I'm not necessarily always going to be in the office.
It might depend on role, but I seriously doubt many leaders are going to expect many exempt roles to be like clock-punchers.
@1ftm+1cp1nyJ2 "So much for treating adults like adults." When and where have you seen evidence of anyone around WF being "adult"? The whole place is junior high on steroids; the cliques, backstabbing, gossiping, etc.
The tracking of badge swipes sounds like an approach this management team would employ.
Badge tracking will soon become of secondary importance. They'll monitor your movements live via WiFi/GPS enabled an-l thermometers that will be required to monitor for COVID symptoms.
"Salaried just means you have to get all your work done no matter how long it takes you. Can’t get it done in 40 hours so we work extra. If you want off an hour early, it’s an hour PTO, but then you have to work more than an hour to get work done"
Salaried employees can't even take an hour of PTO. Half day / full day only. Who's this "we" you speak of, IC non-exempt employee?
Sorry, that is not going to happen. I will not and cannot sit in the office from 8am-5pm, then be home in time to start a change request at 6pm with rush hour traffic. I certainly cannot sit around in the office until 11pm or later with regression testing going on after my change request before it is signed off.
I work less when I am in the office. Travel is the ki---r.
60+ hours a week has been my norm for 3 decades. Simply life as an exempt employee. It is the only way to have a career track job in my experience.
1952 called, they want their office rules back.
Salaried just means you have to get all your work done no matter how long it takes you. Can’t get it done in 40 hours so we work extra. If you want off an hour early, it’s an hour PTO, but then you have to work more than an hour to get work done
I'm on the "Reuniting" team that's coordinating RTO.
They will be checking badge swipes, not logins, for days you are in the office. If you are late or leave early (unless approved), you are supposed to be written up -- exempt and non-exempt staff.
They are currently starting to train managers on expectations and documentation process to paper employees' files. WF wants to aggressively terminate staff for cause, and avoid separation pay (severance) payouts.
Most commonly, we hear of staff thinking they will come in and then clock out at lunch and head home to work. That's not going to be possible with the new systems in place. WF will be checking swipes and can tell where you're working from based on your computer info.
Good luck everyone. It's about to get very bumpy. So much for treating adults like adults.
When they choose to put folks back into the office.....they can't be stupid enough to believe that staff will work the same hours they did from home....lol
Lord know I have "zero" intention of working anything more than 8 to 5 following RTO. Today I easily put in 10.
Make me drive in in traffic....my work hours are cut back.
they start holding exempt employees to a specific number of hours than i guarantee many will stop working when on PTO or of they even respond to one email or call while on PTO will take 4 hours PTO back given we can only charge pto in half day increments.
Clocking in? WTH. I'm not working at McDonald's.
I’m a Floor Marshall. It is exactly my duty to worry about this stuff. If you aren’t a Floor Marshall it is hard to explain why, but trust me.
I have asked this for the exempt folks who report to me. No one can give me a clear answer. I don't think anyone on this forum is going to know. This is one of the many examples of information they haven't ironed out yet.
Why worry about others?
My guess is there will be some flexibility for salaried folks. That comes with the territory when compensation is based on work product rather than time in office.
Don't worry about anyone else but yourself. That's just general life advice to keep your sanity.