Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Any word on that arbitration?

O RLY?

Maybe others were aware but there are two cases against Oracle I read.

https://andrewwatters.com/law/oracle/

This case should be handed out during all hands calls. It shows how truly terrible the company is, how inept HR is and how no matter how high up the chain, you can be treated like a piece of trash. Everyone I know here wishes they never came or never stayed.

Are those arbitrations confidential? I'm sure plenty of folks besides myself are curious as to how this will turn out...

When you read this, pay special attention to the HR lady's ridiculous comments. HR is not there to help any of the employees. They may be supposed to keep the company from being sued, but she didn't even do that, did she?

Within the incompetent mass of people at Oracle, HR truly stands out as the most horrendously incompetent and clueless bunch of people. There to cover their own a-s and take home a paycheck for doing absolutely nothing.

Everyone should read through this lawsuit. Understand who your managers are and why you need to get out.

I didn't badmouth him, I shared my experience & lack of surprise at his separation from Oracle (NOT his separation from life, that was definitely unexpected & is indeed tragic). I feel terribly for his family, they are definitely the biggest victims in the equation.

You must understand, from the perspective of many folks who reported up through his org @ ESPN, the whole experience was like a months-long "WTF?" moment punctuated by more "WTF?". A sizeable layoff took place on his watch & his hand in it was never very clear. No one (except his former boss & perhaps a small handful of others) even knows if he quit or was let go. It was just weird & not typical for the company at all...that year was just weird in general, the president of the company also resigned due to his dr-g habit & the threat of blackmail. 2017 was a bad trip over there for IT, & PMK had a heavy hand in that for many people.

Before you bad mouth the guy, look him up, take a look at his ex wife and kids, add some human side to it. I did that and it made me realize what happened at Oracle absolutely contributed and he is a human being and not perfect.

Did his arbitration happen yet? Is something like that confidential?

Threadstarter asked for comments,& I got 'em! Sorry if that triggers you & doesn't fit your narrative.

I was real perplexed about that complaint until I realized that you don't need a law degree to be an attorney in California. One of seven(?) states where any id--t can sit for the bar exam...makes perfect sense.

Did anyone ever explain to you that hearsay is not admissible in court?

Right, you are not an Oracle employee and never have been, but you are on a oracle layoff site bad-mouthing a dead man and his attorney.

Why would you be doing that?

Because you have some purpose in bad-mouthing them.

Go away, TG, no one is buying your cr-p here.

I can appreciate why you might feel that way, however, I'm no Oracle employee (& never would be, I'm far too remedial). I am a former ESPN employee. My former team's experience (as well as everyone in IT's experience) with him was limited & bad. Despite being one of his victims, I do feel bad for what happened to him, ultimately. Sorry if that all upsets you & causes you to feel the need to act out on the internet.

PS If you are the "attorney" that drew up that complaint, you really did your client a disservice...

That seems very naive...I'll assert that ego can be (& often is) a very big factor. In PMK's case, I'm imagining his personal/marital issues probably factored more heavily into that equation than anything else. That, & as a wise attorney once told me, "money problems make everything worse". I don't envy the man's issues, but I won't let him off the hook for his behavior during my time with him either. He might not have been a bad guy, but I can't say anything good about my professional experience with him, neither will anyone else from that org (which is long defunct).

Seriously, TG, you've done all you can here. You aren't going to get anyone here to go along with your lies.

This is exactly the same kind of cr-p that some of the oracle management tries on the employees internally. Lie about someone and say bad things, then see who you can get to go along with you. Sometimes someone who didn't like the person they are badmouthing will jump in, sometimes a sycophant will see an opportunity and just lie with them for fun and profit.

This kind of cr-p won't get you far on this site, TG. Take your desperate little a-s somewhere else.

Also, can anyone speak to his time @ EA? Seems it is possible that his tenure there was even shorter than @ ESPN. Makes me wonder...

That seems very naive...I'll assert that ego can be (& often is) a very big factor. In PMK's case, I'm imagining his personal/marital issues probably factored more heavily into that equation than anything else. That, & as a wise attorney once told me, "money problems make everything worse". I don't envy the man's issues, but I won't let him off the hook for his behavior during my time with him either. He might not have been a bad guy, but I can't say anything good about my professional experience with him, neither will anyone else from that org (which is long defunct).

People who are full of themselves or obsessed with themselves don’t ki-l themselves. I’m sure it’s Oracle’s line of BS to say that. But he did record everything. He was the one trying to do the right thing.

I was in the same position. Trying to do real work and being sabotaged by a bunch of id--ts who couldn’t see or didn’t care about how anything was done.

Also, people who record what’s going on are not the ones with the problems. People who are id--ts don’t record what they are doing.

Is that really true, though? How does one quantify "working to actually succeed"? The IT org @ ESPN's impression of PMK was that he was full of it...rumor has it his boss was pretty embarrassed for hiring him...I suppose you could always track him down & ask him? I'm sure Oracle house council has probably been all over that...

The sad thing about this situation is that SMK was working with others that, like himself, were interested in the success of the company. They were working to actually succeed.

I find it ironic that someone who was working in the real best interests of the company would find themselves lined up in court against the company they were actually trying to work to support. TG and CM were the problems, but Oracle aligns itself legally with the incompetent and lying management with the biggest title.

Sad. You would think that Oracle legal would be jumping ship, maybe they are, I don't know. But you would think they would have the best view of what actually goes on in the company. You'd think they would be the first out the door.

Real life quote from HR monkey in 2015 after my promotion was a drop in salary…”well, you should just be happy you got the promotion and not worry about the money.” HR is where the kids would can’t color inside the lines work. Hahahaha.

The su----e aspect is extremely unfortunate, but the layoff is not terribly unexpected...at least not unexpected by anyone who endured his org at ESPN. His tenure there was very brief (about 5 or 6 months?), & punctuated by a hasty, somewhat mysterious exit. My personal experience from a single meeting he had with my team as well as several town halls was that he was impulsive & potentially incompetent. He wasn't around long enough for anyone in my orbit to really put his competence to the test, so I'm afraid I can't be terribly specific. I'll say this much - he used a fa-t/sh-t analogy during a town hall (& did not censor himself one bit). As much as I admire the audacity, it's a frat boy behavior that has no place at work.

I find it perplexing that any attorney would draft such a rambling, incoherent complaint. Why not just actually chase an ambulance or something?

“Would like you to sit for the SHRM, PHR or CPP exams and see how you do?”

No one is questioning that you are a smart S O B, just how are you using what you have.

“HR is where you go when you have no moral compass or marketable skills.”

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Prolly cuz you have never worked at a company that is the antithesis of Oracle. Would like you to sit for the SHRM, PHR or CPP exams and see how you do? 🃏

The tsunami of downvoting here is really interesting. Obviously struck Achilles heel.

Last post was great. You HR folks. Look yourselves in the mirror.

HR is where you go when you have no moral compass or marketable skills. I doubt they even have a reflection.

Trust HR as much as you would trust a double agent.

The boo-hoping continues.

Those worth their salt at Oracle moved on a LONG time ago. Anyone left is either hanging on (OCI) for the high salary, or can’t get a real job elsewhere. Or are just coasting along lazily.

There are A LOT of folks like that last group at Oracle.

The best folks at Oracle are long gone. LONG gone.

Last post was great. You HR folks. Look yourselves in the mirror. Look at what you’re really doing. Look at who you are as a person, to your family, your friends. Seriously. Have some morals. You are on the side of evil and you ARE part of the problem. You ARE pushing this type of mentality. The ironic thing is if we were all face to face, you would do none of this type of stuff. I can assure you of that. Have some type of backbone. Your time here will be as long or short as ours, why make it worse.

The GBU’s are on the clock. They’re the next court case waiting to happen.

For sure. Oracle HR has to be reading this and probably posting. There simply aren’t “Oracle fanboys.”

Ever notice how other companies (big companies) have posts on this board every few weeks and Oracle has posts almost every day? It is scary had bad the company culture has degraded.

Today, post earnings, that one analyst had a good point. People aren’t flocking to Oracle. AWS and Microsoft simply are superior companies with superior offerings and staff. They’ve seen the products and smart IT managers know what is going on behind the scenes at Oracle. Years of managing the wrong way has caught up to them. They’ve scrimped and cheated and treated good people like s**t for too long. No CIO or IT Manager worth their salt would look this direction because you aren’t buying into something great and it becomes clearer by the day.

Everyone at Oracle needs to read this in detail

I think all 3 or 4 of them who read this site have already chimed in.

Good job TG or LE or whoever. -23 should attract some real attention to this post.

Everyone at Oracle needs to read this in detail!

Oracle HR has entered the chat….

By the way, TG, voting down posts in really large amounts will only attract more attention to them! Go, go, go..... vote it down some more!

Rat boi, the biggest management rat enabler of them all, says “I'm sure there are people working at Oracle that don't even know this” blah blah blah.

Rat boi would rather complain about Oracle’s “management”, than take any ownership of his career and GTFO.

ps - that’s why you are enabling the management chain you so tediously complaini about. Sux2BU

It's people like this that really make the company suck. Oracle senior director? TG himself?
Obviously, "rat boi" doesn't work at Oracle any more. DUH

Reading might not be your thing I guess, TG.

Rat boi, the biggest management rat enabler of them all, says “I'm sure there are people working at Oracle that don't even know this” blah blah blah.

Rat boi would rather complain about Oracle’s “management”, than take any ownership of his career and GTFO.

ps - that’s why you are enabling the management chain you so tediously complaini about. Sux2BU

In fact, the first tactic is so common, I complained about one manager to another manager and the second manager just laughed and said "Divide and conquer". He turned out to be sl--e too.

They're all doing it. There is no escape from the corruption at this point, unless you just leave the company. The Oracle ship is going down. At the end there will only be rats left onboard to drown.

"Monkey see, monkey do" as the HR lady put it.

It's never old news. I'm sure there are people working at Oracle that don't even know this lawsuit exists.

This should be read in detail by every Oracle employee. The tactics used by TG on his employees are everywhere at Oracle.

First, there is the tactic of lying to employees about other employees to separate and divide. I experienced this firsthand at Oracle. Managers demean the best employees by lying about them to others that might work with them. This way they keep the best employees isolated from each other so that they cannot talk to each other and figure out what the manager is doing, and possibly get rid of him. Got to keep everyone isolated to keep control. That's the Oracle management way if you are completely incompetent.

Then there is the tactic of lying up the management chain, which was not really uncovered in this report, but I expect it was going on. TG was undoubtedly lying up the chain to CM about what his employees were doing. He was lying to each of his employees about how the others did not work. I strongly suspect he would then be lying up the chain of command and saying that he was writing all the docs because everyone he hired was an id--t and couldn't do anything. That was going on in my area.

Then, the guy that was supposed to get sacked and never did, was probably offering his services to TG to say nice things about him. TG might well have then been saying that this guy was doing good work in return. He gets to keep his job and TG has a suckup to work for him. That was going on in my area also. People getting credit for things they never did while the people doing the work were demeaned by the manager.

All of this is everywhere at Oracle. I worked with multiple managers all doing the same cr-p.

Everyone who is tired of working with the rat management needs to get out of the company. Everyone at Oracle needs to make sure they read the details of this case. When your manager looks like they are doing something completely stupid, there is something going on that you need to look into, if you really want to stay in this corrupt environment. Otherwise, you just need to get out. No one deserves the treatment the management is dishing out to employees.

Get over it dork. Nobody cares anymore.

The lawsuit may be “old news” but not paying people within their payband goes on. Scoundrels.

Old news dude. Let it go. Move on.