Let me first say I have nothing against wearing a mask. They help curtail the spread of the virus and it's the bare minimum I can do to help fight this thing. However, if there is a need for a mask, then it's obvious that the pandemic is far from over. Which means that the reason why we started to work remotely still exists. If they decide to send us back after all, then why were we working from home all these months? What was the point?
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It's not a lie at all, it's common sense. People with symptoms (largely unvaccinated people, allegedly) quarantine and get treatment. What are people that have minimal/no symptoms up to? Still out there infecting others. It's reality.
Also, I didn't say a word about masks so you can put the straw man back in the closet.
"Nevermind that the vaccinated are the super spreaders."
LIE. The vaccinated are thought to carry just as much virus as the unvaccinated. The vaccinated just generally suffer less severe symptoms.
PS: If you truly think the vaccinated as super spreaders, then why aren't YOU demanding we wear masks to protect YOU?
Better yet, let's put them all in camps! And to get there, since we don't want them to drive or take public transportation because they might spread the virus, I suggest cattle cars. Bovine are at no risk for COVID and haven't been shown to transmit it, so that'd be safest for everyone. What a perfect solution!
Nevermind that the vaccinated are the super spreaders. Roaming the earth with the virus but no symptoms, infecting everyone in their self righteous path.
Men can be "Karens" too. It's a behavior pattern which includes, among other things, a penchant for bullying. It's not a slight against the s-x. Plenty of women use the term and I doubt it's from self loathing. Also, I doubt the posters it was directed at were female either. Possible, but unlikely.
Plague and ebola are still around too, must not have been that big of a deal
@vzm, hit the nail on the head. COVID is not going away. Whatever/whoever the cause, it’s out there now and will be forever, just like the flu. Those thinking masks and vaccinations will completely eradicate it are delusional. We have to learn to live it it.
People still don't understand the reason for the shutdown and mask mandates were to not overwhelm the hospitals. Do we really want to go back through this again?!
New York now mandating showing proof of vaccination for restaurants and other indoor places. More businesses and governments to follow.
Yes! It’s starting to happen. No vaccination, then you face the consequences. Freedom of choice, but always positives and negatives. Walmart even says, to start, all corporate employees need to be vaccinated by deadline.
Noticing how folks like the ACLU and other entities are not at all fighting for right to choose? They know it WILL hold up all the way up to the supreme court. Only a matter of time so quit your whining and just get the damn vaccine. Or, you get to be a hermit that will not be able to get a job or go out.
What’s next? Hospitals refusing to treat people who have not gotten the covid vaccine? Sounds pretty reasonable to me - protect their workers! Or maybe need to go further, if you don’t have the vaccine, then if you’re in the hospital with covid, you will not be prioritized for resources. Since you didn’t believe in the vaccine then you don’t deserve the same level of care.
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Yah right. Please give us the name of your dr who did not recommend you get the vaccine. If he/she thinks he is giving out good advice, they should have no problem having their name made public.
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False reasoning on your part.
Young children did not do well trying to learn from home, though it best protected their health and the health of the teachers. The next best choice is to allow them to go back to school but wear masks.
For adults, WFH has proven to be a successful choice. No reason to force adults back into crammed office buildings as the more contagious Delta variant is surging. But if they do force us back into the office, the next best choice is to mandate vaccines. After that, the next best choice is masks.
I can’t stand De Santis in Florida, but even he is pushing vaccines over masks.
Unvaccinated people are more likely to get symptoms, which means they are more likely to get medical card / quarantine when infected.
Vaccinated people are less likely to have the symptoms, but have been shown to have the same amount of infection and potential to spread disease (hence the updated mask guidance for those that have been vaccinated). Therefore, vaccinated people are more likely to become unknowing asymptomatic super spreaders, while being self righteous bullies about it and pointing fingers at other people as if they are the problem, including victims of the disease.
If I wanted to stoop to the level of using the pain/suffering of others to bully people into doing things they don't want to, I could point out that the jab has ki---d thousands of people and every one of them "regretted" getting it before the end. But I'll leave that to the bullies trying to get between me and my doctor who does not recommend that I get the "vaccine".
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Hopefully you don’t right-fight your way straight to an ICU where some hard-working dr or nurse has to work another long day to try to save the life of yet another antivaxxer. My friend is an ICU nurse and she said they all regret their decision to not get the vaccine, as do their families.
Using the OP reasoning, kids should not be going back to school since they have to wear masks in most school districts
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I don’t believe I eluded that vaccines were a “final” solution. The virus and the science are constantly evolving. But they are the best solution that we have available at this time to save lives.
A solution, eh? Talk about choosing words poorly. Is that solution, final?
We have no idea what the long term effects of your solution will be. It could ki-l millions....to guard against something that is 99.9%+ survivable.
I do wonder what argument will be made when full approval comes in the next 2-3 months. With 160 million “clinical trial participants” under the EUA, it’s the largest test in history. These tests have been ongoing since March 2020.
It will never be enough for some, so there is no point trying. And they will lose all the arguments about having a right to a job with your employer of choice. Pro tip - you don’t.
@anonymous
More than 99.99% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 haven't had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to CDC data, highlighting that vaccines are the US' best shot at slowing the pandemic and avoiding more suffering.
The CDC reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths. At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19.
Source: https://cnn.it/2VuupNd
Also it isn’t “experimental.”
“The new technology at the center of Pfizer’s and Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines is called messenger RNA, or mRNA. While this is the first time it’s being widely used in a vaccine for the public, researchers have actually been working on this vaccine strategy for more than three decades.”
Source: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/common-covid-19-vaccine-myths-explained/?fbclid=IwAR1HluA2o_1xysFV4SrwMFMskKlqcMko6q3ihuxRtGPx2VAB6bVshey8tg0
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I think most people care about how they are addressed. And I obviously hit a sensitive nerve, since you escalated straight to anger.
Additionally, I do not agree with your post. COVID is a virus, but it is not the flu or the common cold. There are similarities and there are differences. There is a solution, that saves lives, which is for people to get vaccinated. Your analogy for people, who are trying to prevent it from getting worse and prolonging the current misery, as being “the boy in the bubble” is purposely demeaning. Same to previous poster who revers to masked as “face diapers.”
So, same message back to you: Get over yourself and post something of value.
People downvoting federal law, wow. And people wonder why we keep getting in trouble with regulators. CNN just called, they said it's ok to read the law yourself rather than being told by biased sources what it says. Empower yourself.
Who gives an S what word is used? Get over yourself and post something of value. The fact remains, COVID isn't going anywhere. It was never going to go away in 2 weeks, or 2 months, or 2 years. Anyone that believes otherwise is ignoring ALL of the science / history / data. It will likely be with us forever. With that in mind we can all become the boy in the bubble or we can choose to live. Your choice.
@ezo+
You appear to be dangerously ignorant of the law. It is linked below, and I suggest that you educate yourself. The same federal law that authorizes emergency use of such dr-gs also specifically allows people to refuse to take experimental dr-gs and "we will take away your job and your ability to go anywhere in your life" is not a right to refuse. That is the antithesis of being free to choose which is clearly the letter and intent of the law. CNN has told you that the DOJ says it's 'ok', breaking news: the DOJ is a political organization and doesn't make law. Congress does, and already did. Yes, this will wind up being ultimately decided in courts, as all laws are, but unless the courts are going to ignore the law as written and just legislate from the bench, mandates aren't legal.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3
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You sound like management. I cringe every time I hear someone start a sentence with “Folks”, as our so-called leaders often do.
Folks, this pandemic will never be over. The flu has been with us for 300+ years and that's how infectious viruses roll. It's not going away until we make a massive leap forward in medical technology. It's on the scale of curing cancer. It's highly likely that none of us will ever see the day when these types of diseases are eradicated. It's simply beyond our capability to do so.
Nice to know we report to a leader who insists on taking us straight in to the most dangerous part of the storm. Especially when he can rule safely from his throne at home.
I have an idea: let’s put Charlie’s desk right in the middle of one of our largest call centers, where desks are crammed together like chickens in a coup. I’ll show up every day that Charlie does.
Do they think we all work in retail?
After being displaced due to the attrition at WF, I finally found a job. I've been in training on-site and the vast majority of the employees are working remotely. If there's a dozen or so people working on site that would be a high estimate. The work stations are designated and spaced wide apart as well. When I started, if you were vaxxed, you had the choice not to wear it (had to show your vax card).
That all changed the other day. Due to the Delta variant outbreaks, masks are now required 100% of the time when you're not at your station. Employees have the choice to remain remote, do a hybrid (some days remote, some on site) or return to the facility.
While at WF, I felt very unsafe and disrespected by team members and management due to my caution and adhering to CDC guidelines. Add to that the anti-mask and anti-vax customers and it was just a toxic place to be. As inconvenient as it was to be displaced, it was a blessing to be sure and I'm in a vastly better place now.
Well said, OP.
I had an elderly uncle who, on occasion, would slow down at a yellow light and then change his mind at the last minute and step on the gas right when the light turned red. It was terrifying riding with him, but we laugh about it now lol .
But there’’s nothing funny about Charlie, who insists on stepping on the gas, bringing employees back to the office right when Delta is setting new records in certain parts of the country.
Easy solution. Mandate vaccinations. Trend is catching on - even the government is doing it. Even some restaurants are starting to do it and nope, not at all going out of business. Want to be employed, gotta get the vaccination. Absolutely legal. You have the choice to be vaccinated and there is also the choice to employ you all.
Don’t like it? Choice. Oh, maybe you suck at what you do and have no where else to go, you know, the dead wood people keep talking about. Waiting, hoping that you’ll get a package but instead, scared that uncle charlie will just flat out find a reason to fire you and deny you.
It's the government sending you back not Wells. The government wants everyone back to jumpstart the economy.
Sitting in an office with a diaper strapped to our faces for eight hours a day so we can satisfy a RTO check box for the C Suite executives is absolutely ridiculous. I realize people have been in the office this whole time for whatever reason (no internet at home, role didn’t allow for WFH, chose to stay on site) but returning all of us to a prehistoric working model is ill conceived. It will force attrition (it’s what they want anyway), cause further morale and performance issues, contribute to call outs, and increase the pressure overall in an already hostile workplace. Charlie and his flunkies need to step outside of their echo chamber and ask employees who don’t drink the corporate KoolAid their serving what the best direction to go is. They’re way off base with the current plan. It’s going to blow up in their face and we’re all going to be in the middle of it if something isn’t done. Ask yourselves if Wells Fargo is worth becoming collateral damage over? My answer is “No”.🤷🏻
I don’t think we’ll be going back as scheduled.
Eventually someone will notice that everyone else is pushing back RTO. So we’ll do whatever everyone else does, last, as usual.
Agreed. It makes no sense.