Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

The other reason for RTO no one is talking about....

Banks have a F__ ton of debt on their "off balance sheet" books called CMBS.

CMBS loans are valued based on the rents collected.

If you are home working, you are not going to the city to buy overpriced shoes, over priced meals away from home, or overpriced anything that comes from being in the city. Those over priced goods pay tiny profit to store owner, but the bulk of that overprice feeds into location opportunity (aka rent) they pay to the building manager who pays the debt to the trust, who pays the loan to the CMBS, who pays the bank and the investors....Aka - if you are working from home then you are not supporting this albatross of big city bank debt.

If businesses in city start to close and no one comes in to fill those vacant shops, well, CMBS valuations begin to drop....which leads to a domino effect of failed loans, which feed into failed trusts, which feed into failed CMBS bonds, and then suddenly, the house of cards that is the USA financial system collapses.

If you saw the movie "The Big Short" - its kinda like that, except this time its not residential properties that are going t!ts up.....this time its those loans for properties like Trump towers that lied about their revenue, and when it didnt materialize, get "written down" in valuation. And CMBS is MAGNATUDES LARGER than RMBS stuff portrayed in that movie.

https://www.salon.com/2021/03/12/slumping-trump-properties-under-manhattan-da-probe-placed-on-debt-watch-lists-by-banks/

"But Trump's properties have never met their income targets, and banks like Wells Fargo are now warning investors that the properties "might not generate enough cash to cover their mortgage payments" amid the COVID-related slump, according to documents obtained by CBS.

"The loan is being monitored," a recent PNC Bank note obtained by the outlet warned investors.

Chainsaw wants you back in office because Wells Fargo has a few TRILLION CMBS off balance sheet debt + liability to pension funds and investors who bought all this cr-p. There is more debt they are on hook for than the book value of the company.

COVID has changed the world - why go to office when you can effectively work remote?

Well, the banks CMBS loans are not positioned for telework - they desperately need you back in the city to prop up their cr---y over leveraged securitized bonds else the banking system as we all know it goes POOF.

If there is a sudden re-evaluation of all that debt, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, BofA, etc - but mostly Wells Fargo cause they have the most of these cr---y deals - they go BANKRUPT and wave after wave of lawsuits come knocking on the door to accuse the bank of writing faulty loans.

For those trolls and keyboard warriors who say "IT CANT HAPPEN" - i remind you what happened to Wachovia....

And yes, I also know about the reserve requirement which Wells Fargo meets - 11% reserve. Well, 11% aint worth too much if 20-30% of the CMBS bonds go BO-M.

Invest wisely folks.....Less than 50% of USA population is fully vaccinated, and delta is rising rapidly. Flu season is just 2 months away...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/reality-nycs-reopening-businesses-arent-coming-back

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@1otv nails it

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Post ID: @3qbz+1bSG4wb2

Make up your own mind:

https://youtu.be/Q53Wxx7aLrs

https://www.risk.net/risk-quantum/7841731/wells-fargos-off-balance-sheet-exposures-surged-54bn-in-q1

https://www.propublica.org/article/whistleblower-wall-street-has-engaged-in-widespread-manipulation-of-mortgage-funds

#Deflation

#ChainsawCantFixWithLayoffs

#SoLongStonkBonus

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Post ID: @2edj+1bSG4wb2

"No one is talking about" this because you have no idea what you're talking about.

  • The CMBS market is not "magnitudes larger," it's significantly smaller than the RMBS market today and in 2008, and there's not a load of synthetic CMBS now as there was then. Takes literally seconds to verify this.
  • You don't know the difference between reserves and capital
  • It's not a "re-evaluation," it's "revaluation," and those assets are revalued every day, because they're marked-to-market
  • You don't know what on-balance sheet and off-balance sheet items are, how they relate to securitizations, and what that means for the firm
  • The risk of failed payments does not work at all like you describe
  • The idea that RTO is driven by a desire to prop up CMBS prices is beyond stupid. Even if Charlie were that sinister, one company's RTO wouldn't make a dent

Many CMBS did take a beating early in the pandemic, but that's already been factored into prices, and banks have been fine. Do you seriously think tens of thousands of investors and analysts around the globe whose entire job is to price these bonds somehow missed the fact that WFH would be bad for rent rolls?

In sum, the only "big short" here is in your understanding of basic accounting, fixed income, and research skills.

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Post ID: @1otv+1bSG4wb2

Funny thing about a situation like this, the bigger it is, the more powerful people come into play and the more powerful people are involved the more likely that they'll resolve the issue, with a government bailout if necessary. These people have a lot of resources.

In any case, permanently living in a bubble was never the answer. COVID is just like any other disease. It sucks, but we must press on. It's how it's worked for as long as we've been a species. The negative outcomes of becoming 7 billion 'boys in a bubble' is much worse than anything COVID can do to us. There was never a "no one dies" option, as nice as that would have been. This is the real world, and it's a vicious savage place. People tend to forget that until nature reminds us from time to time.

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Post ID: @1jml+1bSG4wb2

But I brown bag it and just go to and from the office? I don’t contribute to the local economy outside of a weekly, masked Walmart visit. Your argument is moot with me. RTO is just so Charles in Charge can have control of my days an nights. What’s HR’s number again? I might file a preemptive complaint. I hear he wants to pop his head around the corner and say “Hay”.. while undressing me with his eyes.

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Post ID: @1mks+1bSG4wb2

Again, a lot of broken windows fallacy going on.

There are tons of open jobs. We have restaurants reducing their hours, not because of lack of business, but they cannot get enough workers to fill their shifts. The same is happening to other small businesses.

Forcing people to RTO does not create an increase in aggregate demand for goods and services. It merely shifts the demand. People who are paying much more in gas, work clothing are going to be spending less money in other ways, hurting those businesses.

If I have to RTO, I'm not ordering Grubhub to deliver a meal to my house for lunch. That is taking away money from the driver, the delivery service and the local restaurant. Instead that money likely won't be spent at all as I won't have time to walk and wait in line in the cafeteria much less walk/drive to a nearby restaurant.

The money I spend on gas, more car maintenance, will be less money I have to spend

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Post ID: @jbk+1bSG4wb2

The sad thing is that rather than evolve the financial model, we'll just devolve to the way it's always been done.

Change is often painful...and it's only for the brave visionaries (who hopefully have some power).

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Post ID: @uxq+1bSG4wb2

Yes, THIS.

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Post ID: @hor+1bSG4wb2

Basic economics. It all has to stop eventually and sooner rather than later. There are so many ancillary workers who are struggling while we sit around our home offices and wax lyrical about whether or not we feel like going back to the office.

On the subject of the former guy's companies and real estate investments, when I worked for a Japanese Bank on Wall Street back in the 90's he was on a list of people that we were forbidden to do business with and that was pretty common across most of the banks. Makes me wonder who is the guarantor on his debt? I guess it will all come out eventually.

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Post ID: @ido+1bSG4wb2

Very interesting, it’s refreshing when people actually share relevant industry knowledge here. Thanks for sharing this

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