So after going back to the office, how many days do we have to go to the office per week? Do we have enough office space if the minimum of days in the office is 4 or 5? I am surprised that WF still wants everyone to get into office.
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@1cos. Obviously you got paid to cross the world and come here.
So we are closing branches all over because our customers apparently no longer want to come into the branches.... But we all need to go in?
Love the reasoning of mgmt here.... NOT!
@kha please stop confusing me for the d-mbs#!t my organization reports up through. I work for a living and don't butcher the English language unless it's intentional.
Sorry you can't handle reality.
There's some great info in this thread, and also some info that's flat out wrong. This is not a hospital, we will not have COW's, etc. (d-mb terms) at desks. Only certain EU's will have wf devices, not everyone will work off of vdi's, too much risk with certain groups. When we start going to personal pc's you will DL the VMware horizon client touted at wf as the new "wave" technology. That cracks me up, new wave. There are a few other clients that piggy back on that one as well. It's kind of like the Citrix workspace app that lots of users have now, except way more functional. That backend is easily managed, per-se from the standpoint of admins. This is being rolled out very soon. They will first test it on WF laptops, then within a few years, give or take, bye bye most all of those cr---y leased laptops that we get now. That's right, we lease them, this is the reason why we get re-conditioned devices now. If your home pc crashes, well that's on you, get another, DL client, etc.. Once you log out of horizon and log back in the next day, you get a brand new system, so to speak, that remembers all of your settings, etc. That's right, when it reboots it rebuilds the os almost every time. I say almost because well, things break, and it's not really rebuilding the os, but kind of it in a nutshell.
I have no issues going back into the office, but WF hopes you do, they hope a certain percentage will quit in sept.
That's one way to look at it. Personally I'm tired of cr-p devices and cr-p support for them, so I won't miss company issued PCs at all. I'd rather be the admin on my own equipment than use a machine where my access is so hamstrung by BS that I can't even work effectively.
@kiq. That’s why you’ll lose people, Saul. Word gets around so good luck on getting those cheap kids out of school too.
@kiq it's happening no matter how you feel about it, get over it.
@bwx. So you are still spending your own money on something that your company provided. Just another way of cutting costs by making you pay for equipment to service them. And you don’t see a problem with that?
Another way to sc--w the American worker.
@mhc+1bBjIB5Q heck just buying a standalone device with nothing personal on it should work for most people :-) That's what I plan to do. I have been watching W00T and will buy a reasonably priced laptop when the time comes. Until then I forge ahead with my corporate issued one that's dying a slow death and my current VDI.
And, for anyone who's been WFH since COVID, you're probably logging in on your home internet. If they wanted to "steal" something, they could. But, to be safe you can get a standalone device and set it up like @mhc+1bBjIB5Q said.
For the person asking how VDI will work when you travel... it's no different than logging in from home unless you use a desktop versus a laptop. You'd need a laptop to travel. To log in, it's just an app or webpage you navigate to, enter your credentials and it takes you to a remote location. I have VDI access on my current work issued laptop by going to a site and logging in to a "virtual desktop" in MN. I live in the SE of US and nowhere near MN. But, my VDI is WAY faster and more reliable than my slow work issued laptop.
They will probably announce the grandiose plan by end of July or early August. I'll bet that it is designed to lay off or force out anyone who 1) is not near a hub city and/or 2) who does not want to relocate to a hub city.
Keep in mind, Chainsaw wants attrition and turnover to reduce headcount so this isn't going to be employee friendly. I do not plan on being here when all this takes place in September. Either they will lay me off or I'll resign. This place ain't worth the stress.
I believe it's likely you'd be fire unless there are, say, medical reasons related to COVID. Or your office has moved more than 40 miles away, in which case you'd likely be eligible for severance.
What happens if you don't comply with going back into the office 3+ days a week ? Do you get fired or get severance? Or?
How coincidental that Saul switched to tea this month…….
@qfc I f'in hate coffee.
Even more than I hate ignorance.
I gave you a simple solution with a minimal cost to protect your privacy and you insult me over it. You must be middle management.
@mhc. We don’t buy it Saul. Take your coffee and go elsewhere.
So much d-mb paranoia over VDI on personal devices.
Install virtualbox
But a Windows license to install on virtualbox
Connect to VDI from your own VM
Their container is now inside your container
If you're extra paranoid do it on a Linux machine that you harden, under a heavily restricted user account.
At least on the brokerage side there are regulatory issues from Finra. Each work location has to be able to be audited according to OSJ rules. That is not possible if everyone works from home. Plus who wants an auditor coming to your house to see if your workspace is secure?! Right now firms have gotten exceptions for covid. We WILL go back to the office a minimum of 3 days a week to satisfy regulatory requirements. It doesn’t matter if you can do your job from home, etc., industry regulations take precedent.
I would love to go VDI. The most recent laptop they issued me was total dog $(!+. Slow as molasses in the Yukon. I'd rather use my own gear. I certainly wouldn't give the company access to a PC with personal stuff on it though, I'd just purpose build a desktop for this use only.
Lots of benefits for the company too, I'm sure a hundred thousand laptops isn't cheap.
This is getting d-mber and d-mber by the day. Most teams work with people spread throughout different time zones and requiring employees to be in office at hub locations is ridiculous. This could wreck peoples lives and what management doesn’t understand is the best employees will leave and the worst will stay since they need a job. This is a great tme to look for a job. Most companies have adopted the hybrid model. Banks don’t compete with tech companies for this reason. They fail to understand the work life balance modt people want.
Most of this is just speculation as is most of this site. People spreading opinions or rumors with their chest puffed out about quitting if abc happens. Kinda hard to pay mortgage or college cost on “principle”.
I won’t be using my personal computer to dial in and expose my personal data to nosy corporate types. Same reason I don’t put their apps on my personal cell.
How will VDI work for those who travel?
@ejq+1bBjIB5Q agreed. Certain jobs fall in to the "when you need to" work from home on an ad-hoc basis. I manage a certain function for over 1,000 globally and I won't go to the office when I need to talk with my folks in Asia & Europe with the time difference. What will change is you log in using your own computer. Tech employees may be different due to the level of support they provide. Everything I've heard and read (internal emails) to date implies WFH will be ad-hoc and limited to very few in the firm. I hope I'm wrong as I've been WFH for almost 10 years. I've been told my job is safe until at least next year due to the phasing of layoffs, BUT I should expect my role to be "centralized" and it could ultimately be at risk. So, rather than wait around I'm being proactive and applying externally.
Don't worry. With all of the layoffs ahead, if you do have to go back to the office, you won't be there for long.
@dis+1bBjIB5Q VDI is Virtual Desktop Interface. When you go in to the office there will be a VDI box on the desk with monitors, keyboard and mouse. You log in with your current sign on credentials. But, you're signing on to a virtual machine versus having a desktop or laptop. Here's an article about it (note: isn't WF specific, just explains VDI). https://www.citrix.com/solutions/vdi-and-daas/what-is-vdi-virtual-desktop-infrastructure.html
It's kind of like that guy on that show going, "Dee plane! Dee plane!"
I have to say with VDI rolling out, I can't figure out why the heck desktop is also rolling out new disk encryption software when it is all going away in a year.
The project hit a massive roadbump. There are issues with what they are rolling out so they are considering changing direction.
Just cancel it.
VDI is a basically a d-mb terminal with a monitor, keyboard and mouse. It connects to a server that then streams a virtual desktop over the network.
You will no longer have a desktop PC or laptop provided for by Wells Fargo.
In office hotel-style cubes, where ever you go, you will log on to the d-mb terminal and it will load your virtual desktop and profile.
Same with at home. You will have to use your own computers or tablets to log in and you will have access to this virtual desktop.
It is a cost savings effort. Only executives will still have corporate laptops.
There are some benefits in regards to patching, handling of malware and security. It also simplifies support needs in some ways, so a lot of tech jobs who support laptop hardware will be going away.
It's been roughly 3,000 days since I've had to work in a WF office location.
I don't see any reason to change that, nor does my direct and 2 up management.
I would be thrilled with 0 days per week in the office. I think for my role once per month in the office would suffice if they really want me to go in the office. We shall see how this all pans out.
There is no IF for Tech employees and working from home. None of us are going to sit in the office all day and implement CRs until 2am before going home then having to return by 8am the following morning.
What is VDI and how does it work?
They used to say you would lose your office if you didn't show up like 14 days a month. Well i say great i will be showing up 0 days a month and you can keep the office. Now i see them moving to this temp seat deal and hiring thousands and India. Good luck with that, quality headcount will be looking for better places to work.
Will be 5 days a week. And, by end of 2022 everyone will be using VDI and will be assigned a cube by Corporate Properties for periods of time. They are doing away with corporate issued laptops and in a communication from Technology about a month ago it said "if" you have to work from home you will need to log in VDI on your own personal computer. VDI is expected to be rolled out to around 75K employees by year end. The working remotely will be for a select few and even then will be the "if", not "when".
I don't know if i'll ever go back in the office. I might show up once or twice a month just to say hello. If they demand anything i'll say yatta yatta yah sure thing. After a year of that i'll be looking for my golden package to the next company that lets me work remote.
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