Neighbor just moved back to Chicago from SF.
I imagine things have to be bad there. Any insights from folks here?
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@uai you're ridiculous. There was better food in Ohio, Denver, and even Arizona. I have yet to find a good Mexican or Chinese restaurant in San Francisco. Seriously. All perception...
All I know is hat we red states are about to be bailing out California and New York State again. Third time in my adult life hat this has happened. Really am getting sick of bailing out the clowns.
San Francisco is an ugly, dirty city. Anyone saying that it is so beautiful out here is talking about the Bay and the surrounding suburbia areas. SF is full of dirt, grime, graffiti, poop, pee, and complete nastiness. There is not one square foot that is pretty. I know. I have lived here 22 years and regret leaving Denver every day.
@ykh are you even educated? OMG!
Neither city are great destinations and the cost of living is through the roof. Make better choices.
Besides, Tony Bennett left his heart in SF a long time ago.
Sure, homelessness is everywhere, and it’s not always in your face. And sure, It's very visible in SF proper because it's a dense city with temperate.
But what is happening is like boiling a frog by raising it a degree every few minutes. You’re not noticing the steady daily disintegration of the once beautiful Bay Area. I’ve been to San Francisco on business numerous times over the past 40 years. I loved that city. But I have now seen such degradation thwt I will never go again. I just hit my tolerance level for disgust.
You can also find areas anywhere in the country (including SF and the surrounding areas) where it's not 'in your face' . But just because you don't see it in your daily routine doesn't mean it's not there.
Despite the SF-bashers that like to post here, the actual data about where people have moved in the past year show a different story than the "everyone's leaving San Francisco" and "everyone's leaving california" hyperbole. I lived in NYC for a long time and saw the same news cycle there about NYC.
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@1lka+1afeREoQ you forget the SALT tax, which allows tax payers to include in their federal deductions the excess taxes they pay to their state governments. So while the red states may be getting more for each dollar they send to the federal gov't., blue states have exploited the SALT deduction to keep more money at home. That's what ticked so many people off with Trump's tax cuts - he reduced the SALT deduction to a max of $10,000. In essence, red states were subsidizing blue states.
@1nig technically Californians are paying for mismanaged red states since CA is a net giver of federal dollars and red states are net takers of federal dollars.
But who are you to let facts get in the way of your opinion?
Governor there bankrupted the state! That is bad in itself. I say we sell it to Mexico and have them pay for the wall!
I dont want to have to pay for mismanagment of the state.
On another note , what kind of Idiot would move to Chicago, Minnesota, etc? Have to be a nutjob!
Ooooh! Basing insights on a sample of one! I hope you don’t approach your work that way.
I’ve got my own anecdote based on a tiny sample. A colleague also moved from SF to Chicago, only this was around 2-3 years ago. He grew up outside of Chi and I think just wanted his $$ to stretch much farther, plus I know he’d grown tired of his car being broken into (He lived near a sketchy neighborhood).
But that’s just one person. Really, things are by and large unchanged. Home prices are still high and stable/increasing, as they are in many areas. Rents are substantially down, a positive for lots of folks unless you’re a landlord. Weather better than most of the US except for minor details like drought and an approaching wildfire season that - god help us - could rival the last one.
homelessness is in every part of the country and every city. It's very visible in SF proper because it's a dense city with temperate weather... but make no mistake, it's all over.
You can also find areas anywhere in the country (including SF and the surrounding areas) where it's not 'in your face' . But just because you don't see it in your daily routine doesn't mean it's not there.
Despite the SF-bashers that like to post here, the actual data about where people have moved in the past year show a different story than the "everyone's leaving San Francisco" and "everyone's leaving california" hyperbole. I lived in NYC for a long time and saw the same news cycle there about NYC.
Maybe we should cut out the middle man and just get Sean Hannity to post this c––p here himself
Lived in both Chicago and SF Bay Area (and many other places). Hands down SF Bay Area wins. There are issues anywhere you live (e.g., culture/diversity, political environment, cost of living, homelessness, weather). The Bay Area is beautiful, with fantastic weather, mountains/hiking (access to skiing), ocean/surfing, generally good people, great food/produce/restaurants, not gun/Bible/car obsessed, etc. Love it and no plans to leave!
SF is bad as someone who worked at Wells and I'm the city. Housing prices have gone up the city has expensive rental housing and jobs are too competitive no more big companies to work for in the city. Bad homeless problem and congested streets. Now those wanting to work for tech companies don't have to live in the Bay Area no more everything is remote.
I don't want to live within 500 miles of either one, but to each their own.
Mind your own business @OP.
If SF offered me a job which pays 300+ I will move there with a heartbeat. Chicago is a sh–hole generally, who wants to live in Chicago??????
If I could afford it I'd move back to SF in a heartbeat. Left for slightly less expensive surroundings (So Cal) and much cheaper child care (grandparents) but OMG do I miss the quality of dining in the Bay Area. There's just no possible comparison to the world-class food mecca the BA is. I also miss being able to walk everywhere I needed to go when I lived downtown.
If you think landmines and homelessness/vagrancy is a recent problem your biggest experiences with SF are either in text or on screen.
Not sure I’d assume someone relocated cos it’s “really bad” in SF. People relocate for lots of personal and life stage reasons. The fact that the pandemic is leading lots of folks to relocate is pretty well covered in the media.
Chicago is a great city if you want an urban life, and the state income tax is about 1/3 California’s. That’s a good start.