With only 18 5 percent in the usa vaccinated they ..would be foolish to send us back . Not even close to herd immunity! As of 6 a.m. EDT April 4, a total of 61,416,536 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 18.5 percent of the country's population. As scientists estimate that between 70% and 85% of Americans will need to be vaccinated against the coronavirus to achieve herd immunity.
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Day five, still alive.
Remember if you have had Covid that is Only a 3 month immunity.. so please get the Vaccine ( they are not sure if it lasts 6mos or a year yet) and Bosters when offered. In by the time we go back to the office I will only have 15 months until I retire. I would really like to make it to retirement without getting sick. Thank you All who are getting vaccinated.
Day 4, still perfectly healthy.
No ones denying it is real. We deny the ridiculous over reach. We have survived every other virus without this, but elections apparently really crank up lethality
1% of 328 million = 3.2 million - no problem
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I couldn't get the vaccine quickly enough but two friends of mine of the red hat persuasion have it now. They think they have a right to pretend it's all just made up drama but now one is in hospital and the other is sick as a dog in bed. That's the thing about reality. It doesn't care what you think, it just keeps rolling along.
@ily Apparently not. You have folks like the last poster who wants to put health care workers like my spouse at risk because of their stupidity.
It’s all about the partisan c––p and little about common sense.
99% survival rate. Foolish is closing businesses and displacing employees for a 1% possibility. Smh
So they hauled my neighbor out on a stretch last week. It was on a Friday night. He works IT for local school system and they got called back in. He's 47, but mild diabetic. Got the Rona and it made him too sick to eat so he went into diabetic shock for first time ever. His wife thought he'd had a stroke.
3 neighbors down with Rona right now. Me, I get my first shot middle of April.
All I'm saying is that 1) It's contagious more so than flu. 2) It's Russian Roulette as to how you handle it.
Neighbor's wife got it too and she's round and portly. Took it like a champ and only lost her sense of smell.
Proceed cautious friends. If you need to go go. If you are OK getting a shot, get it.
But let's all try and be professionals and adults and stop rubber stamping WFH or WFO. Everybody will need to work it out for themselves. Wells was vague on purpose because they'll have to deal with REAL exceptions and REAL jerks who'll just be silly stupid with the number of made up reasons they won't return.
Can we as humans just be honest for once? I hope so.
@tqg I never said we should all be kept from going into the office. If you've had your shots, knock yourself out, I get it, I'm sick of this too.
But to blanket force everyone back, when realistically the vaccines are not 100% effective, and some employees and their family members are not medically able to receive them, why is it worth it? The case has not been made that whatever imagined benefit of ending WFH, which has let the business run effectively for over a year, is worth risking human lives.
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Feel free to stay in your bunker then. I've had my shots and as soon as everyone else who wants them have theirs, why not go back?
To nobody's surprise, the board ignoramuses are both anti-lockdown and pro-WFC.
Nobody should be forced to pick between their livelihood and safety, especially when it's coming down to a typically arbitrary decision on Wells' part, and has nothing to do with productivity or a good business sense.
Even Cali, champion of lockdowns among states, is lifting their lockdown on 6/15.
Yes, it's amazing how many people are exposing themselves all over town outside of working hours...but if you ask them to come into the office they lose their minds like it's the most dangerous thing ever. Hate to say it folks, but the drive to the office (or to the grocery store, or the gym, or a bar, or a friend's house, etc.) is likrly more dangerous than COVID. Don't lick doorknobs, wash the hands,.keep some distance etc. and you'll be just fine.
Employees are out and about living normal lives, but say it’s unhealthy to go back to work. If they want people in the office two or three days a week so what. If you don’t like it leave. Trust me, I’d rather stay home, but if I want to stay at WF, I’ll come in.
LOL at the person who thinks not being sick on Tuesday after spending the weekend maskless with tourists puts them in the clear.
Google "incubation period for COVID 19".
Good luck to you, you will need it and a miracle.
Ok lets use new york. Oh wait...
Florida has had 2 million cases and 33,000 deaths from COVID. That's 15th worst in the world among entire COUNTRIES.
The governor has been accused on multiple occasions of under-reporting on COVID, while routing vaccines to rich donor areas.
Let's not use Florida as an example of what to do on anything ever.
Herd immunity includes those already infected as a part of the numerator. While 18.5% have a vaccine, hoe many more percentage points are added by those who can no longer contract the virus?
Also, be very careful with facts from "sources". Data is easily manipulated for agendas.
All I know is I spent the weekend maskless at a tourist destination with thousands who were living their lives. I contracted nothing. I juat uaed common sense and kept myself clean and healthy
yea everything opening this summer, and no excuses by first day of Sept;
Plenty of doses, they are even doing the homeless people with the J&J too as easier
we are averaging 3 million vaccinations a day - by the end of May the # of americans with at least shot should be well into 200 million - with the J&J delivering 100 doses by end of May it will probably be a lot higher - by September they will be vaccinating 11 and under
Florida = no masks or lock downs for almost a year now. NJ = perma masks and perma lock down. Guess which has a higher rate of infection? It's all safety theater folks, and always has been. It's trying to make people feel better with the illusion of control. Masks, no masks, WFH or in an office, it doesn't matter. Everyone will be exposed. Everyone. The numbers speak for themselves. There's no discernable difference between the actions taken and the states that didn't take those actions.
That 18.5% completely ignores the population of people who had the virus and have stronger, naturally occurring antibodies as a result.
If you factor in those who had Covid, the country should hit herd immunity in late may/early June.
Medical professionals will tell you that companies and states are moving too fast to get back to normal. Some are already seeing setbacks.
We never learn.
Not foolish at all, and heres why:
- wells fargo has a life insurance policy on all employees. They've had this for years. The bank is wagering you are gonna die. Forced return to office helps shuffle odds in their favor. If 100 employees die with 1,000,00$ policy each thats over 3 years of Chuks salary paid right there.
- the banks goal is to get rid of americans. Forced return to office will cause attrition. This helps bank with goal.
- This enables their hub strategy. They want to force wfh, remote city staff into office in 5 major usa cities. This means if you have a family, you will have to uproot to go to metro area. Many of us will choose family over bank. This will cause attrition which the bank wants.
Ethically and scientifically you are correct but you must always remember that the bank is neither.
The only thing they care about is strategically shedding expenses, and that is highly compensated nonexecutive american staff.
24% has already been sent to india (about 60000 of your peers now sit in india).
The goal is to get that up to about 60% ( or more.)
I am pro-WFH and anti-WFC. Whatever WFC wants, I automatically want the opposite.
But even with that POV, anyone who wants a vaccine should be able to get a vaccine by September. Unless a new variant spreads, which the vaccines don’t protect us against, WFC has the right to call us back. They have been much better about it than I would have ever imagined they would be, though I’m assuming it is more about protecting themselves legally than protecting us.
Having said that - I do wish that WFC would join the 21st century and allow more flexibility around WFH.
Eventually the tide will turn and WFC is going to need good employees more than we need them. When that time comes, remember how they treated you, whether it was bad or good.