Heard OCI is demoting the IC4s and IC5s they got from OCI-C, citing performance reasons to IC3 and IC4s. Also, they are trying to decrease the pay. In the process, they lost many OCI-C engineers and OCI-C projects are now in trouble. What the f– is going on?
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Did this happen to anyone? Its fake news!
OCI layoffs will happen soo, heard leadership is considering cost curring as they identifued many redundant teams and managers. OCI generously gave promotions, particularly junior people who are in late 20s and early 30s to sr manager, directors and above. The only criteria is to be early member of OCI. I know the OCI-C, managers, IC5s and above are reporting to some young and non desrving leaders at OCI. I know, how thety kicked out leaders like TK, NR (vp of engineering) with brutal politics. The downfall for OCI kingdom is sooner rather later.
@2twi+19foRLNp,
You are a thick skin person and enjoy others crying and speaks. Your kind of non compassion and empathy folks don't deserve a career. Some other bloody politics will k–l you folks. And I know, you won't cry rather try to find a better job. But it is unlikely that you find one.
@2twi+19foRLNp,
We all did that in OCI-C, it not a single person. All of us landed in better jobs with better pay. But, it takes time
for the injury to heal. But truth is truth. If you disagree, I wish to see non SaaS revenue generated by OCI and growth this year to justify your technical supremacy.
With such incredible OCI-C financials and such a rockstar engineering team I’m sure it won’t be long before cloud revenues are reported separately again? I mean, this is breakthrough news that the world really needs to hear!
When you boil it down, it’s still the war between on-prem and full cloud. The problem with O is that everything is a war, a battle, something to defeat. Cooperation is not part of the ethos.
If O is just going to duplicate AWS, they will fail. They seemed to be “getting it” and trying to differentiate their cloud by touting the database angle. That’s great but if you don’t want or need Oracle db, what’s the value add?
Those of us working at real cloud companies are highly amused.Keep slapping each other around like the three stooges! It’s a great look for you all.
@1yki+19foRLNp,
You can fire them, but if you have any shame in your blood, try answering these questions.
- You should totally decommission OCI-C cloud, it customers and take a revenue cut generating from OCI-C. Then work hard to make OCI, a multi billion dollar revenue cloud. Don't piggy back on OCI-C for revenue.
- Ask your leadership, who is saying that they want to make OCI-C as a first class citizen. Where are they now?
If you are not upto take this questions, you don't have any right to say ti fire OCI-C employees.
@1yki+19foRLNp,
It's not OCI-C, OCI is completely debacle. OCI is born out LE's ego with Amazon and there no where in the cloud war. OCI-C solved many customer use cases and generating decent revenue where OCI didn't do anything. No OCI-C folks asked for the merger, it's a forcible merger and k–ling of people. If they are not interested in OCI-C people and tags OCI-C as technically inferior, it's unethical to claim OCI-C revenue as OCI or cloud.
LoL, You OCI B@@st@rds are unable to force existing OCI-C customers to migrate to OCI for 2 years from now and you are talking about OCI-C. You challenge is work hard and increase Oracle's IaaS cloud revenue and profit irrespective of OCI-C customer migration rather using power and brutal politics to dismantle OCI-C, giving hard time to OCI-C employees and customers. Please remember that OCI-C employees worked as hard (may more) as you to bring the customers and generating revenue struggle with the same kind of interview process to get the job at Oracle. Rather using power politics, talking about share holder value and cost cutting, try increase the revenue/profit by outstanding customer experience. I worked at both OCI-C and OCI and found the OCI leadership is nonsense.
Bare metal?
I am confused, if share holder value is a concern, thet must cut the underdog which is clearly OCI
All of this was covered earlier on in this thread. Try to keep up.
All,
I am confused, if share holder value is a concern, thet must cut the underdog which is clearly OCI. More than 5k employees making less than $1B, looks ridiculous to me. They are spending $1B year on infra (compute/storage/network). OCI-C built these with cheaper systems and achieved greater results.
Oracle invested a lot in OCI than OCI-C. Even then, they are unable to get any revenue. Guys, revenue didn't reach even $750M where OCI-C is generating $5B+ revenue. If Oracle could have continued with OCI-C rather OCI, the story is much better.
All the folks in OCI are from Amazon and they are trying to reproduce another AWS here. Most non deserving folks are leaders out there and it is matter of time when no luck favors them.
I don't agree that OCI is technically better. I witnessed lot of dysfunction within OCI> In any case, Then OCI shouldn't piggy back on getting OCI-C customers with lift and shift and then throw OCI folks away later. If they have so much ego, why can't they start from scratch in acquiring customers.
Even today, OCI-C generates more revenue than OCI.
Yeah, but don't forget that OCI is technically so much "better".
Oracle isn’t a charity and can’t afford to keep a bunch of overpaid, underachieving, whiny, parasitic crybabies on the payroll. OCI-C was a complete debacle, and the more of these guys we can fire, the better.
@1ppl+19foRLNp,
Even today, OCI-C generates more revenue than OCI.
Since Oracle has lost the cloud market it follows that OCI is not going anywhere and any OCI-C (or OCI for that matter) firings or demotions will increase shareholder value.
Or in simple terms, for the many business-challenged readers on this MB:
- > when growth isn't possible then cost-cutting is king
Sorry, but OCI-C sux, plain and simple. Get rid of the dummies who built it and move on.
Oci -c could have left untouched rather than poaching them to safe guard oci kingdom and throw them away.
@1ghy+19foRLNp,
people like you must be fired. great benefit to Oracle.
They dismantled all the teams and k–led people who built the OCI-C with heart and soul. Finally, they didn't give any time for OCI-C folks to ramp up on OCI and forced resignation. I witnessed one in my team.
No great loss.
The OP is correct. OCI is taking over OCI-C and they are screwing it further by lift and shift project. The OCI to OCI-C networking has its own hassles. The tech leads at OCI has no clue how OPC /OCI-C is organized. They dismantled all the teams and k–led people who built the OCI-C with heart and soul. Finally, they didn't give any time for OCI-C folks to ramp up on OCI and forced resignation. I witnessed one in my team.
You can get any many Oracle cert as you want, you won't get a raise or job protection. It worth nothing inside and outside Oracle, since no one use it.
Get knowledge on how to migrate Oracle to other platform, you will get a lot of offer since there are lots of unhappy customers out there
If not, it tells us how much to value certification.
Except we already know the actual value of any Oracle certification now don’t we?
Were the OCI professional certified?
If so, they made the jump, so please explain.
If not, it tells us how much to value certification.
Sometime this February a lot of folks will be changed to IC-Nuthin
That’s what they called horizontal promotion. You get same or less pay and do more work.
This isn't rocket sciscience. The OCI-C skillset was that of successful hairball implementation, while the IC4/5 pay scale is unrealistically high. Both aspects are intractable, so therefore need to be "corrected".
Oracle is a gigantic, stinky POS, which should help explain whatever you are hearing about.
Call it forced resignations by a callus organization