I'm not talking about the managers, of course. They have it made. The rest of us are constantly overworked, mistreated by said managers, not allowed to take days off when we want to, and not paid enough for the c-ap we have to put up with, among many other things.
If we dare complain, the comeback is always the same: we should be happy to even have a job and there are plenty of people in the line to replace us.
It takes a lot to work at a place like this and remain sane.
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Wells Fargo is still a great place to work.
Just don’t expect a participation trophy. Those days are long gone
The vast majority of managers have been ICs before, often for many years and usually performing at a high level. Such managers know exactly what it's like to be an IC. There's no reason to sow division between the groups (OP) or for you to call people names. Believe it or not, layoffs don't come from your manager, or even your managers manager. Those directives are executive driven. Some managers s— at their job, but that group has no monopoly on it. There's people at all levels that are great, and people at all levels that are horrible at their job. As such, saying that all ICs "deserve a medal" but no one else does is needlessly divisive. Some ICs deserve a medal (but would probably rather have a raise) and some deserve to be fired. That's the truth.
This is absolutely true and it happened to me. When you open up a case with HR and have a relations consultant hear out your issue with management, they often and always side with management and dismisses your claims of harassment and bullying as if you are the trouble.
Good luck if you decide to take that route. It will always backfire on you. You are always replaceable so don’t even think about filing a complaint. Sad but true.
I have worked at a few other large corporations. They do have a lot in common with Wells Fargo. The fearful middle managers. The poor performers allowed to skate while the good people get dumped on. The company meetings where upper management pretends to be transparent while actually communicating nothing.
But what I have never seen before is the emphasis on process over all. I actually had a manager say to me “It’s not the result that matters, it’s the process”.
Still scratching my head over that one. WTF?
Can you imagine Apple saying that? Or Tesla? That’s unique to Wells Fargo
Sometimes I wonder if anyone here has worked at other large corporations. They aren't much different than WFC. Then I wonder if people forget that this is a job, not an entitlement.
Yeah a good rebuttal to the OP's point is to say that managers aren't a–holes, then say that you actually are a manager and act like a total a–hole.
It's truly a three ring circus. They don't give a good and god damn about their people, on any level. It's all smoke and mirrors! I've been rated meets and exceeds every year and still get jerked around. They don't care about anyone including their reputation as an employer.
@cwi+19QmfviC - you should not be a people manager.
You have the exact wrong attitude and a good manager isn't filled with so much self pity.
As a manager, I absolute do not “have it made.” I work 60-80 weeks with no compensation beyond 40. I deal with having to give bad news to good people, stress about the impact to their families, be a therapist for all of my team members, try to develop them because they won’t develop themselves, and still meet all of my own responsibilities and objectives.
You think I have it made, OP? LOL. I guess this is a good place to spout off nonsense. You obviously don’t have a clue about anything you’re talking about.
lol, I can tell you haven't done both. I never worked as hard being an IC as I have a manager. It's not even close really. Also, there's this thing called "Pretend Time Off" that managers take. When I was an IC, when I was off I was off, not in management, we are available 24/7/365. Yes, we get paid more, but there's much more responsibility and the job is inherently more difficult. When I was an IC I wasn't aware of what management was doing most of the time, so I also thought they "had it easy". Just wait until you're in management, you'll see.
Sorry, but I disagree. If you hate your job and/or the company why stay? Have you thought that maybe your negative attitude is the issue with the morale?
I absolutely agree with this comment. My former management there was inept and have no idea what they are doing... and THEY ARE STILL THERE. They have created their own issues, with employees going to HR and THEY ARE STILL THERE. They bully, harass, discriminate and retaliate against their employees and THEY ARE STILL THERE. The company enables this conduct/culture and actually encourages this type of treatment by not solving the issue and ultimately spends thousands of dollars just to circumvent any allegations. It is corrupt, unethical and in some cases, against the law. Code of Conduct and Ethics?? What a joke. Even if you raise issues internally and with merit, YOU become the issue. I have seen many posts about this when I was still in the organization. It's definitely a pattern.
BUT WAIT!!! There's more! If you go down that pathway of thinking the company really cares about you, you are absolutely fooling yourselves. They want you to notify them FIRST, so they create an investigation and attempt to cover their own mistakes. Then they will stall, make up stuff and do whatever they can to wear you down, so you'll quit. To them, that's a WIN!!! Does this sound like your current situation??
NOTE TO EXISTING EMPLOYEES: NEVER GO TO ER, HR, ETHICS HOTLINE. GO STRAIGHT TO AN ATTORNEY.
There is light at the end of the tunnel but it will take effort on your part. Don't get even.. get SMART. Document everything while taking charge of your own career. Start actively looking. If you have opened a case internally, only to have them shut the door in your face, know that they are watching every move you make. However, they have to be very careful about retaliation at this point. So, their approach will be to try to make your life miserable, so you will quit, on your own terms.
If you quit, because you can't take it any longer (and don't have a job just yet) consider a constructed dismissal resignation, so you can apply for unemployment and ultimately have the ability to dispute it (with all of your documentation, you have been collecting). If WF decides to fight it, you'll be prepared for that battle if/when it happens. This is all where your Attorney can help you make the best decisions, before you do anything. Your approach in how you handle this, is worth a free or paid consult, in my opinion.
I wish you all the best of luck. There are amazing people that are still there and I care about. In fact, I just spoke to one of them last night, which is why I'm writing this today. As a seasoned professional/former Leader, I am doing my best to help, as friends reach out. Don't let these toxic people get in your head. Consider the source. I came out better in the end and I hope the same for all of you. Sometimes, it just hard to realize that when you are mentally and emotionally drained.