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New HRA co-pay plan-more flexibility??

In the past the employee did not have have access to their HRA account. The account was used when eligible expenses were billed to the insurance company and it help offset out of pocket expenses that one may have not planned for.

This year an enhancement was made allowing co-pays to be paid from your HRA account. This appeared to be something Wells changed to give you more flexibility and potentially lower out of pocket expenses for your normal
co-pays.
Not quite, this change is forcing you to drain this account BEFORE you can even touch your Flexible Spending Account(FSA).
If you have co-pays or pr-scrip-ions that you paid for with your FSA in the past, all of this will now be taken from your HRA account. Your FSA account will sit there and very well may expire if you don’t have other expenses like dental or vision.

This was not clear in the announcement. More flexibility to me is not requiring use of my HRA funds until their exhausted before using my FSA funds which I allocate from my pay and expire annually.

What happens if you’ve exhausted those funds with co-pays and pr-scrip-ion costs (which previously were paid for with your FSA) and have have a medical procedure or test that cost $1500?
Before this change, this could’ve been taken from your HRA, providing you had funds, now, you have a much higher chance being put in a financial disaster if you have something occur.

You should be given a choice as to what account the expenses are to be paid from if they are eligible to be paid from both accounts, considering the stipulations surrounding annual expiration.

This change wasn’t for flexibility, this was to drain accounts of every employee with a running balance!

I love the way they twisted this one.

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Post ID: @OP+19NECkuy

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Haven't used my HRA account yet this year, however I can see the balance on both the health equity site and United Healthcare site. I also have never signed up for an FSA so that part doesn't affect me. But its nice I can now use HRA for co-pays and pr-scrip-ions.

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Post ID: @3cgj+19NECkuy

This new plan is garbage. I've submitted three claims and they've all been denied by some technicality. I'll probably get through it, but I'm wasting a lot of time, paid WF time. The old plan would just auto pull from the HRA. Now I have to submit claims, receipt s and explanation of benefits (whatever that is) for $20!

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Post ID: @1kax+19NECkuy

This post was regarding the HRA and FSA, not the HSA.

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Post ID: @1jau+19NECkuy

I’ve also run into issues with this. We have an FSA and the HRA. I routinely have acupuncture appointments that In years past I would use my FSA and it worked perfectly. Well this year they denied the payment because they say we need an explanation of benefits.....because they are required to run it through the HRA first. Makes no sense. I’m not using my medical benefit for the acupuncture so there won’t be and EOB but they are saying they can’t use the FSA funds for it. Frustrating!!!

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Post ID: @1uzs+19NECkuy

That’s correct, however this is the new enhancement Wells gave us. I have had an HRA and and FSA for many years. The FSA was full
Purpose and not limited at all. Before this year I could not use my HRA for copays, actually I had no control over that at all, only my FSA, which was working perfectly.
Now, when I use my FSA card for a copay or pr-scrip-ion it doesn’t lower my FSA balance, it is taken from my HRA. That’s not what I wanted. I have allocated those funds for copays and my HRA was there for other medical needs. Now I have no choice, and FSA’d expire each year and you lose the funds if not used.
This is a big issue for me, especially when it doesn’t benefit the employees. The “flexibility” is a crock! It’s only made things more complicated.

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Post ID: @1imw+19NECkuy

If you have a HSA and an FSA - the FSA is "limited purpose" and can ONLY be used for dental and vision - it cannot be used for pr-scrip-ions or deductibles. Therefore, paying your deductibles, co-pays and Rx costs from the HSA is the only way you can do that.

If you don't have a HSA, you can get a "full purpose" FSA that can be used for any medical expenses - copays, deductibles, Rx, vision, dental. But the point then about the HSA is moot.

The logic/gripe in the original post is not factually correct.

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Post ID: @tiz+19NECkuy

It’s now on the Health Equity site. Just like the FSA.

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Post ID: @vxo+19NECkuy

Completely agree. And now I can’t see my HRA balance on the insurance website. It’s confusing. Glad I’m not the only one who feels like this was not to our benefit not clear originally.

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Post ID: @jsp+19NECkuy

Wait until you find out there are employers who don’t offer any insurance

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