Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

Speaking of 401K changes, the bank has been taken to court multiple times for improper self-dealing in the 401K Plan

There have been several class action suits over the Target Fund selections in our 401K. I knew one of the guys who filed a lawsuit and he was a super intelligent guy. I trust his facts and data are accurate, but he has yet to prevail in court. Perhaps if our new leadership continues it’s short-sighted and arrogant ways of undervaluing their employees, it will irritate someone enough to try again.

You can Google all the details yourself, but multiple suits allege the bank and it’s fiduciaries violated ERISA by using several proprietary investments and failing to seek out cheaper and better performing options for their employees. The lawsuit compared the expensive fees and performance of our Target Date Funds vs those of Vanguard and Fidelity. The comparable Target Date Funds from the other companies charged lower fees and outperformed our funds. And it goes further to allege that our proprietary funds make even more money off our employees by investing in proprietary products. Expensive WFC proprietary funds investing in expensive WFC proprietary products.

In other words, our employer (allegedly) makes a lot of money off the $40 Billion invested in our 401K plan and that probably equates to lower profits for you if you use the Target Date Funds. And unfortunately, many of our employees are not experts in investing, so they unknowingly default to the more expensive Target Date Funds.

You can look up the fees for our 401K choices yourself. They may seem small, but they can have a major impact on your investment results over time. For example, in a study by the SEC, for every $100,000 invested over 20 years time: annual fees of 1% vs 0.25% would reduce your portfolio value by $30,000.

It’s a rough world out there right now. Right or wrong, I grew up trusting my employer and that was an easier more pleasant way to live. And my employers trusted me, for good reason. Trust begets trust.
But these last 4 years have been difficult and the past 1 year especially hard. I hope something changes, but as it stands today: I consider this new leadership team to be our adversary. We are no longer considered assets to the firm, we are costs that need to be cut. And I will act accordingly.

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"They still left the match applied annually. Unacceptable."

What's the big deal? It's already quarterly.

dca can work annually too.

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Post ID: @1vha+17ytm4jS

They still left the match applied annually. Unacceptable.

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Post ID: @1ehh+17ytm4jS

They are canceling the 250k threshold.

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Post ID: @1yhv+17ytm4jS

Big announcement coming shortly regarding 401k. Stay tuned.

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Post ID: @1vuo+17ytm4jS

Always suspected this especially based on the poor performance over last year or so. Is there no limit to how low this company goes to screw people?

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Post ID: @gea+17ytm4jS

“in-service” rollover

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Post ID: @1owp+17ytm4jS

I think you can buy Mutual Funds directly from a provider, like Vanguard. But not individual stocks and bonds from another brokerage or bank. Would have to confirm that.

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Post ID: @avg+17ytm4jS

i've always invested up to the point of the match, and then fully funded a Roth IRA at Vanguard.
@gea+17ytm4jS No, you can't take your money out of a 401k and move it somewhere else while employed. you're better off moving it to the fund that works best for you. Those target date funds are obviously not the right choice..

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Post ID: @lre+17ytm4jS

That's one of the benefits from selling retirement last year.

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Post ID: @rjy+17ytm4jS

@uru+17ytm4jS Are we able to transfer 401k funds out while still employed?

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Post ID: @gea+17ytm4jS

Get your money out of WF 401k now! Find a reputable brokerage company and ask them to perform an “in service distribution” for you. This action will move most money out of WF and into more profitable independent investments.

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Post ID: @uru+17ytm4jS

WF 401k funds have always been garbage and are today. With today’s disgraced announcement sticking it to $250k and over earners , I’m considering forgoing contribution to the disaster wf 401k plan and investing those funds myself into my own brokerage account. Far better returns and ability to generate income with dividends there than our dinosaur 401k program.

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