Thread regarding Wells Fargo & Co. layoffs

On this day, 11 years ago......

On this day, 11 years ago I was part of a lay off with Wachovia.

Tuesday, October 27, 2009

It was unexpected and I was blindsided. Just a month prior I remember sitting in a LOB meeting and being reassured by leaders that there were no anticipated layoffs. All is well they said. We’re coming back stronger. Our numbers were fantastic.

Imagine the lump in my throat when my director called me into a conference room and handed me a blue folder. I had just been assigned quarter 3 and quarter 4 projects and finalizing the 2010 future projects and initiatives.

A year prior in 2008 Wachovia had collapsed and was sold to Well Fargo, even though we thought we would be sold to Citi. I still have the newspaper full page ad of the Wachovia and Citi announcement. I remember Associates and Analysts literally typing their resume in September 2008 and boxing their or bagging their personal items and walking off the floor and out of the building. They were young and were taking opportunities elsewhere. One guy took a ficus tree with him. Left behind were their badges and laptops.

I had almost 9 years with Wachovia, my anniversary date was December 2000. On October 27, 2009, I received a generous package of the 60 day notice with 30 day working notice, which I didn’t have to work. I received full pay for 9 months, including all benefits. A total of 11 months.

I was depressed. I was shocked. I was angry. I was sick to my stomach. I was scared. I was afraid of losing my house and my car. I was afraid to lose my medical benefits. I was overwhelmed with anxiety. I couldn’t sleep for days. If I did sleep I was awoken with a jolt of fear and doom.

Whatever happens today, I need each of you to remember that this too shall pass. You will grow from this experience. You will realize that you are resilient and resourceful. You will be stronger for it. Faced with adversity and the unknown of my future only made me flex and strengthen muscles I didn’t know I had.

After I gave myself time to grieve, I remember thinking, “ I’m off this bull$hit and back on my game.” I searched relentlessly for a new position internal and external. I interviewed nonstop. Not everything came to fruition whether it was 1 interview or 5 interviews for a single position. I called up those former Associates who departed and started networking and putting out my resume.

It wasn’t until March 2010 that I was able to land an internal position. I know, dumb move on my part, going back to the false security of Wells Fargo. I packed my bags and headed to NYC, that’s where the job was and it was a much better position and three times the pay.

Early on in September 2008 and the following year, I remember 15, 20, and 30 year colleagues in turmoil. You see, their entire 401k portfolio was not properly allocated and balanced. Everything in their 401k was Wachovia stock. They lost it all. I remember tears streaming down one mans face. He was 2 months from retirement. He built a cabin on the lake. He financed his kids college education, he just bought a new home. Boom! Completely wiped out. I thought he was going to have a massive stroke or heart attack.

Here’s a similar story for reference:

The Wachovia share price dropped from $56.50 in January 2007 to $5.80 when Wells Fargo took over.

Wachovia’s share price reached as high as $59.85 in April 2006, only to plunge by more than 90 percent to $5.80 when federal regulators approved Wells Fargo’s deal.

Jerry Wheeler, who retired from Wachovia after 30 years in June 1999, epitomizes the plight of tens of thousands of the bank’s current and former employees.

“When I retired, I had about $400,000 in my 401(k),” Wheeler said. That account, however, consisted solely of Wachovia stock — slightly more than 10,000 shares. Friends told Wheeler to diversify his portfolio.

“Since I was only 57 at the time, I elected to leave it with Wachovia,” Wheeler said, noting that the 401(k) was worth about $620,000 before the sinking of Wachovia’s share price began in early 2008.

When Wachovia was sold to Wells Fargo for $7 a share, Wheeler’s 401(k) was valued at $70,000. Then, when Wells Fargo’s share price dropped to $7 a share during the Great Recession, the 401(k) was worth just $14,000.
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As a lesson and word of caution, I suggest everyone log into their 401k account and reallocate and rebalance your portfolio. Dump and get rid of any WFC stock and transfer into funds that align with your future retirement goals. Since 2009 I have never held WFC stock in my 401k. Any stock award or yearly Employee Award given I immediately converted to the funds of my choice.

In 2017 layoffs were happening again due to offshore ramp ups and the banking scandal debacles were never ending. My position was eliminated because they could pay 8 people in India and the Philippines what I was making. Luckily before the Federal Sanctions and asset cap, this time I was able to negotiate a 24 month package.

I wish you all the best. You are all in my prayers. I promise you that it will get better. These are very uncertain times, but please uplift each other and show compassion and empathy for those struggling with an upheaval and unrooting of what they thought would be a future of stability.

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Post ID: @OP+17DM2dW0

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Unfortunately learned this lesson from my father back in the 90s when he had his retirement account in Delta Airlines' stock. He got laid off and the stock crashed at the same time.

Holding company stock is the definition of 'all eggs in one basket'. Index funds are a much better idea and will diversify for you.

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Post ID: @1cnh+17DM2dW0

Great post OP. Thank you! Was ‘Noticed’ yesterday after almost 13 years after having built a profitable business and grown it successfully....doesn’t really matter. The Bank has a lot of work to do and has finally realized that it’s $h!t does in fact stink, after believing for so many years that it didn’t.... what a mess....

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Post ID: @1fdp+17DM2dW0

Charlie will sink the ship and end many jobs, tenures and careers. Best of luck to everybody.

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Post ID: @1qxn+17DM2dW0

I have been through several layoffs in financial services. The OP is spot on, I really appreciate this post.

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Post ID: @qyh+17DM2dW0

@ftz+17DM2dW0

Hey John P. OP here. I’m really sorry to hear about your sister. I’ve said this in conversation many times to younger generations and my own personally and professionally; “the era of the golden watch after 40 years of service is over, nonexistent.”

Thank your sister for me for her dedication and years of service. While it was not quite 40 years, she can be proud of her 36. I’m proud of her. Today is a monstrous day for many. This day has been marked on my calendar for 11 years. It gives me time to reflect where I was and where I am now.

Please convey to your sister that this is just a moment that will pass. I understand her absolute devastation. Does this have to do with age or seniority. Maybe? Quite possibly? We will never know, but we can move forward and keep moving forward.

Give her space and time to grieve. I went thru all the 7 stages of grief. It took about 2 months to come out from my dark cloud. I literally stayed in pajamas and a bathrobe for weeks on end. If she reaches out to talk, hear her out. If it’s outside of your realm, there is no shame in seeking professional help. I went to my doctor and he referred me to a therapist. I needed to talk to someone and get everything off my chest. Things I couldn’t talk about to family, friends or former coworkers. It helped.

Doing some rough math, you stated that she started right out of high school. I’m guess 18 years old. With 36 years of service that puts her around age 54 give or take a year or two. Her severance package would be 2 weeks for every year worked, plus 60 day notice (8 weeks) with a maximum based on the Employee Handbook. I’m guessing close to 80 weeks of severance or possibly quite a large package/payout that should get her closer to 59.5 years old or 62 years old where she could be eligible for early SS Retirement.

I understand that my math may be off on the severance or package deal, but I want her to be reassured that she will come thru on the other side. Have her speak to a retirement specialist both internally and externally. I personally use Merrill Lynch. Hopefully she is not WFC stock heavy in her portfolio. If so she needs to start dumping it and reallocate and rebalance her entire portfolio to better suit her future and current situation.

Yes, this was unexpected and unforeseen. And the shock to her right now is just the beginning. I’m praying for her and her situation. I’m not sure of her financial circumstances, if her house is paid off or if she still has minors to support or college age children that rely on her. Whatever the case might be, she has to be focused and think clearly. There’s no reason to make any irrational decisions or financial decisions today. But she needs to know all her options and the avenues she can take.

Maybe this is a good time for her to reflect on taking care of herself and finding joy in something entirely new. Maybe there’s a hobby that she can pursue full time now. Maybe that hobby and her combined skill set can turn into a entrepreneurial experience. The world is hers. She just has to see it from the outside looking in, instead of from the inside looking out.

Based on my experience and my professional past, I now own my own business and have passive income. I work 15-20 hours per week at my leisure. This is possible for her and anyone. Recession or not. COVID-19 or not. Election year or not. Think outside of yourself. Think big, think large. Flex those muscles and strengthen them.

Wishing her the best of luck on her future endeavors. I promise it will be okay. I’m living proof it’s going to be okay after 2 layoffs with Wachovia and Wells Fargo.

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Post ID: @nqx+17DM2dW0

tl;dr: diversification is your friend. Do not invest monetarily in your employer. You are exposing yourself to too much risk when your current and future income streams are banking on the same source.

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Post ID: @ver+17DM2dW0

When one door closes, another door opens. Life is full of surprise. Don’t look back. Keep moving forward.

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Post ID: @xof+17DM2dW0

Great post OP. Not a good day for many today but great reminders

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Post ID: @hex+17DM2dW0

Live beneath your means and diversify. Keep 1 year's worth of expenses in a checking or savings account... You'll sleep like a baby. Trust me. Not even a layoff, market crash, or a recession will trouble you.

#innerpeace

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Post ID: @jfw+17DM2dW0

What a wonderful post!

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Post ID: @hnq+17DM2dW0

I’m leaking awesomeness...thanks OP

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Post ID: @xbu+17DM2dW0

Peace and love to all, let’s hope the current WFC does not collapse like the weak Wachovia did.

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Post ID: @rst+17DM2dW0

A great reminder about steering clear of company stock.

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