Go other tech company? From O&G jump to shoppee the most u do product management.. consolidate data. Unless u further study in com sci else good luck. Wonder why their turn over is basecase high.. dont get me wrong. EM is LTA but it cringes me to see someone thinks shoppee is much better.
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Ok la people in Shopee can move into other tech companies. You still stuck in o&g. Have fun staying poor man.
My ranking was good last year and don’t think will be bad this year. Anyway no increment = no drive = do bare minimum. Very toxic environment and everyone is acting busy and backstabbing each other. MRLP program will last indefinitely till the economic recovery. 8% this year and likely 10% if the economy still stay the same as before. So if you like it just like me, stay on, if not move on. Nobody owns us a living. All the best to your jobs search.
Exactly, people who complain here are those that are stuck and can't do anything about it.
They know deep down inside they're ngmi.
This thread has become a ground for employees to merely vent their anger on their managers/company etc. The SLSes and managers are victims of the system as well (we wouldn’t have done things much differently if we were in their positions either); they don’t have a say in many of the things rolled out and there is only so much that they can do either. This is just like any other corporate; it owes no one a living. Hope to see more posts on constructive criticisms on things that within the control of our local management (the few being posted are also getting lost in the flood of disgruntled employees’ grumbles) or from ex-employees if it is indeed greener on the other side and what has worked for you to land a job in other industries or unbiased insights from managers on their personal outlook of EM operation in Sg. There is already enough negativity around and just a mere confused employee here looking for light at the end of the tunnel (whether within or outside EM) and some genuine advice…
@44mkz+16zEvLP3
Either loser or winner here. If you not happy viewing this posting, the door is open, like EM, you can exit. Stop viewing and get back to work.
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Hope one fine day you get the honour of being in the PIP list wall of fame
This forum is dedicated to whack em worst class practices.
We are not beimg fairly treated and we should voice out so this forum is for negative people only
You are so positive must be one of the em blue eye boy going out to perform world class lpo lpsa ocvn dirty sh-t things on us
Good luck to you
This posting got too many losers.
Keep posting bad things about EM but cannot find a job outside EM.
Pathetic.
Stop the nonsense and go back to work,even on weekends.
I left a couple of years back. Sad to see the company is in this state today.
Moving out of EM is not as easy as most would think, especially if you are a generalist and have more than 7 or 8 years experience. Most commercial roles require experience in P&L responsibilities or have a network of customers, of which roles that offers such experience within EM is very limited.
And if you are the few who are in touch with customers today, remember to build your network, otherwise the moment you leave and without your EM name card, no one will want to meet you and you are very quickly forgotten.
Specialist who move out do the same job in other companies maybe with a slight bump in pay. Those who did so find themselves pigeon-holed and find that it is difficult to find progression. But that's the reality. Some companies have people do the same role for 10,15,20 years. Most MNC use HR consulting companies to benchmark pay level/ increment and it is about the same for most, so no need to wonder. Even if there's variation, it is not much.
There's no such thing as planned job rotation, internal job postings are available but more often or not they are filled with externally with relevant experience. Most company don't have the luxury of time or headcount to train, they need plug and play. There's no such thing as developmental roles, headcount is being scrutinized all the time.
Having said that, if you are willing to take risk, take on more responsibility and put yourself out there, the world out there can be more rewarding, in terms of progression and variable pay, than what EM has to offer.
But otherwise, like most whom I am still in touch with, for the job/ responsibility, the pay in EM is still attractive.
All the best to those who are looking, those who are staying and those who are leaving.
@43afr+16zEvLP3 - Why you jealous??
Don't dare to resign or stuck in EM can't get interview.
We haolian cause we resigned and immediately got job.
We Were Not ExxonMobil
There is a serious problem and flaw with the incentive scheme for managers. Should be penalized for poor morale of the team, too many subordinates leaving, wrongly seeking highest level approvals and hiding mistakes.
Left to join Shopee. Got a nice bump in pay. Winning!
Shopee shopee number 1!
Alright - I have hao lianed, can @43afr+16zEvLP3?
We all know the state of affairs of the company. No need to reiterate. You want to leave, just go. Leave already then come and haolian here. Don't keep cut and paste same message.
See where the company now vs 2013, huge dip in just 7-8 years.
Honest question: do you think SGCX will remain competitive in the next 5, 10, 20 years? Whether it's yes or no, what are the reasons?
Really waste of time for the annual 1:1 PADP. Apply my LPSA, worst case scenario, get PIL/PIL and move on. Rather spend my good time using office hour to find jobs... move on and still get my prorated bonus, bye bye!
If you prefer to stay, just be prepared, next 2-3 years no increment & promotion. Only PIP, PIL, MRLP, NLI, LI and LPO.
If not, please move to elsewhere where the grass is always greener.
All attrition is good. Haven’t reached the planned losses yet. There’s still fat in the system. More need to quit. DW wants another $3 billion structural savings, so your resignations will contribute to his RSUs. Thank you very much.
Another attrition at f&l, atb bro/sis
The irony is that the continued delivery of the work goals under resource constraints is going to result in either pay freeze or AWS cut, because it’s been proven that we can do more with less. Think about that.
It’s also weird that a Thai is deciding the future of Singapore payroll and in charge of benchmarking? Naturally, the person is predisposed to be biased and the starting position is to do away with the AWS. Why did the Singapore Leadership allow this to happen?
Please look at China - we end up having to introduce increment mid of the year, because the supposed benchmarking is done crappily. And we still don’t see any heads rolling. Probably because HR manager sitting comfortably in Australia and letting the poor local HR managers take the heat and the fall.
Keep talking searching job outside, people leaving. But still see so many people in office, cars at carparks. Rotiprata, talk no action.
Lol all the people that got impacted still looking for job. You think so easy, quit and find something lor. No one will miss you
did my reply to iheardarumor get deleted?
"anyone can confirm this? heard that a sg lawyer got accused of touching younger office guys but his boss likes him a lot so she sent him on overseas assignment to protect him!!!"
anyway i said that this is not new last time under a much older LCM he had a favorite too that got away with touching guys took many years and many complaints to get rid of him so unless you want to be advised by perverts you'd better ask hr to work harder to get rid of such cancers
Need to be factual.. Have a look around the O&G industry. Which oil major is getting pay raise for 2021/2022? Shell, etc have already declared no pay raise & bonus globally. (see forbes article in Feb) It's a lot more disastrous in aerospace/tourism industry.
Salary in EM is already considered higher than what you can get outside. Can go salary.sg and test it against Singapore salary data to see where you stand..
Btw, labor unions, EM HQ and senior management are well aware of this thread. :p
Everything is history, everyone for themselves now. Enhance your career, and remember your ambition can only be fulfilled outside. Those remaining in the dark will envy you next time.
Hope a small handful of SG management get to enjoy NSI by Houston. It is a gift!
Save your tears, mend your broken heart and look for a new job.
Others have already said GC is not GSK, and obviously won’t be taking care of you nor Singaporeans. Too occupied taking care of DW and how he feels- and I don’t blame her. Who’s paying her and rating her. Not you but DW.
So while I empathize your sense of loss, but it’s not worth it. Save and exert all your energies into your job search and improve your career my friend. Wishing you all the very best,
Everything about EM has fallen flat on its face.
It’s corporate business objectives, nor its mission statement to lead industry, nor how it had intended to hire the best, develop, grow its people.
I don’t feel that I belong here anymore.
It’s just that tragic sense of having lost much of what I had put in.
I don't feel compatible with this company's (negative) culture. With current low motivation, work overload, high expectation, not worth it to stay here even if I survive this PA cycle
The company succeed in breaking everyone’s spirit. At least in Singapore. Don’t see any more postings here other than the SCC fiasco. Guess everyone subscribes to hunger games now.
The KPI for SG senior management right now is how many workers we can get rid of without having to pay any sort of package. Even NSI-PIP consumes cash due to PIL option. However, if we make it so undesirable - pay freeze 2 years, AWS cut, cease all awards, have a cut throat PA system, people will leave on their own and there’s more cash in the bank to pay dividends. #truth
If everyone I speak to is actively applying for a job outside, who exactly is working on their day job?
Guess PADP doesn’t differentiates performance, it differentiates the quality of your sponsorship and the quality of your story telling.
Good riddance to that lead engineer.. really useless...
Looks like no much development for engineers nowadays all we have is a big HOOK only, but old rotiprata don’t leave young one no chance to move up . Heard technical got some engineers left but still not enough, then NSI come to play.
Possible reason they said SG attrition is still manageable: we haven't hit the headcount reduction target.
I know for a fact that technical headcount is still above target. So SGCX study is still not enough. Of course everyone knows next round is the min 8% – max 10% NSI.
It's PADP season, do your best writeup, may the odd be in your favor.
We welcome the SCC leak! Why must discussions relating to our future be kept to a select few? Anyway nothing new or incriminating in the leak. Must be shocking to see unhappiness and rebellion spreading across all levels, even those selected for your precious SCC meeting. Inquest?! Pfffttt
But Operations Mechanicals Machineries Analysers Instruments Electricals the Frontliners all the hands on ones who got their hands dirty and facing the real risks dangers in the plant everyday everynite merciless got the chopped most.
In fact we should retain we need more of these kinda hands on people on site rather the ones sitting comfortably luxuriously in office having meetings most of the times and only comes out to trouble us with lpo lpsa ocvm and all the nonsense no value useless rubbish bullshxt shxt.
Not worth to be Frontliners die cxck standing.
End of the day these people will get the credits for good leadership
Leadership our axs.
We Frontliners gets all the PIP NLI LI dunno what else shxt.
@3Zicx+16zEvLP3 Controllers’ is even worse. Go and look at the AP org chart and you would have thought there’s no talent development for Singaporeans at all.
Count how many T2 expats in Singapore first. It’s amazing we have more than when GCG was the site manager. It was a KPI then. Is this even a KPI nowadays?
@3Znor+16zEvLP3 Please scroll down and read thread. It won’t be posted on Intranet.
They really need to screen who’s attending these SCC meetings. Or at least hold an inquest as to which of the attendees are leaking the news out.
What SCC leaks? Please share more