Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

don't pull a strawman argument at us. no one here is asking for 100% job security and iron rice bowl.

we are saying

1. be upfront about headcount cuts instead of crafting it like "PIP helps you improve". bs. it's ultimate hypocritical and revolting, especially to the people affected

2. pay fair retrenchment to the people you want to cut. tell us the terms upfront, offer voluntary retrenchment... if you give 3/4 weeks pay every year cap at 24 weeks, SO SO MANY of us will put up our hands and say, "choose me! choose me! 选我！选我!"

3. for the people left behind, be upfront to them about the PIP % - what is the basis for this %? why can't we know the basis? now it's almost like a guessing game. some managers say next year 3%, some say not sure... all are guessing. how do they plan the movements in their teams for their people?

how do you lose trust and credibility with people? inconsistent messages, lack of transparency, lack of strong core values, gaslighting people and pull straw man arguments on them. EM is doing everything that is anti-We Are EM... and so called leader have the cheek to tell us to care and have fun. HA. HA. HA

Can someone tell me which private company in the world provides 100% job security and iron rice bowl? I really want to know

: @6Uxpb+16zEvLP3
You talked as if you know how the world works. Unless your are GC , if you are just her lackey , u think u will be told the honest truth ? Pathetic . The Execs are trained to put company’s interest first , even if they need to put their next of Kins under the bus , they might not hesitate . The stake $ for them is high . You are the real ignorant one. Self denial

Question: For CRISP to upgrade the bottom of barrel to GpII lubes, won’t it consume very large amounts of energy (fossil fuel) and spew (even more) tons of GHG CO2/SOx into the atmosphere?
And worse, to produce a Lubes product that’s not even be wanted in future, when internal combustion engines become obsolete relics of our civilization?
How will that stand up in the face of “born-again” EM Corp, with the 3 new replacements in the re-vitalised corporate directorship, and with DW himself now doing an about-turn on the company’s long term views on LCS: including, but not limited to, clean fuels, plastic recycling and CCS technologies?

CRISP (IF that happens) will upgrade BoB to Gp2 Lubes. Not even Gp3!
While near-term technology measures like hybrids, LNG and bio-fuels may rule (for automotive, marine and aviation fuels) for a while more, the longer term path forward for automotive Lubes will clearly be toward EV, and/or H2 fuel-cells. And for marine/bunkering, it will be H2 fuel-cells, and/or even ammonia.
Now, how would CRISP, producing mainly Gp2 lubricants for internal combustion engines, play out in the future market 20+ years from now?

With the CERTAINTY of PIP remaining and your uncertain (future) employ in EM, here’s a short checklist to decide on a go/no-go option:
(1) Do you have a mortgage on your house? Especially it is with a >$500K bank loan?
(2) Do you also have personal loans from various banks, including rotating bank overdraft facilities - which you may also be using to “pay off” outstanding credit card balances on a near-monthly basis?
(3) Do you own a car(s) whose loan(s) is still a lot outstanding? Then the car really belongs to the bank - it’s not yours.
(4) Would you have sufficient funds planned for your children’s long-term education - up to tertiary level? Especially if they are to fall out of the steep, local education system and need overseas parent-sponsorship?
(5) If you are over 40, do you have your own (non-EM) hospitalisation/surgical and major diseases insurance to cover you and your spouse (at least)?
(6) Will you accept capped salary increments and mitigated promotional opportunities, from here forward (if you are not deemed a Hi-po), and through the course of your whole career in EM?
Well, you decide if you can face the possibility of PIPs coming back to haunt you year-on-year - especially if you belong to the mediocre “middle-third” (VG) and below - and especially if age is catching up on ya (from those late-30’s to 50’s), cos that’s when you start sliding down the ranking/PA scale for no apparent reason other than being “more-senior-than-the-rest-in-cohort”.

Looks like the 8% will be around for a few more years till the number is about right and small enough to operate the plants and commercial..Regardless the industry and company is not growing industry, many mega project on the list to cancel or in discussion how to get out as strong push to lower emission.. Let’s predict crisp may not happen as refining margin remains challenging and surplus capacity means not much to upgrade the last barrel, why build so big project… further fuels demand will drop over time even back to pre COVID, after rebalancing and rapid shift to EV and many transport, battery industry booming, wind and solar projects piling all over the world in large countries, Australia, China, US, bio refining is booming in many parts of world, why need so much conventional fuel and fuel oil.. don’t get it the mega trend and investment decision, maybe still build but will be sparing largely when there is no more big structural change, it could be case of sale at some point in future, sell the nonprofit business site, maybe keep some chemicals, let someone take care the trouble.. again maybe no one would buy just like some other site, then become a terminal or significant downsize.. this maybe 10yrs to 20ys down the road, cost will continue go up, like carbon tax, emission reduction, etc…meaning to product same barrel of product these cost will drive down margin.. it is not just here all oil and gas company face the same challenge.. some good advice here so make your own call to your decision.

Dear @6Spmj+16zEvLP3,
The key to your question is really about Job Security. As a young guy, I assume you will start a family down the road. You will then need to commit to huge financial liabilities for a house, family expenses, etc…. Is the Job being offered, has a good reputation of long term employment (not the way the present EM is managing!). Imagine you have bought a house and you are “PIPed” just because you fall into the lower ranking (not that your performance is bad) due to the Appraisal System, you are laden with debt to pay for house instalment, family expenses (children studying overseas, etc..) If you are rich, somehow, you can survive. Otherwise you will be in trouble.

If EM does not change for the better, it’s best to find a better employer who can give you a better job security. A word of CAUTION, there is no “IRON-RICE BOWL” Company out there. If you are an excellent performer, you have a high chance to have a life-long employment though, unlike in EM where you will gradually drift into the lower ranking over time.

That’s my advice from an ex-EM employee who used to live thru better times than now. Good luck and Take care and make the a good decision on your own.

@6Sjwr+16zEvLP3

ROFL. So many ignorant people here who do not have a damn clue about how the world works and who makes the decisions. Sure sure, go ahead and continue living in your world drama world. If it's easier to find a scapegoat that's nearby and in range go ahead (not saying she is entirely not at fault, but please, you think she put her hand up and say SG will gladly volunteer 10%?).

Haha gosh the number of mountain turtle on this forum

Post ID: @6Qnyk+16zEvLP3
You are the kumgong one and the lackey of GC lah. Even the angmoh couldn’t stand it to speak the words of justice for the asians seeing how she put her own pple under the bus . Go and read before u made stup** comments. How to work for leader who doesn’t blink an eye to put her pple under the bus jus to look good ?

@6Spmj+16zEvLP3

You say DH and SLS means refinery? I not from refinery so hard to say what other job offers are out there for you. My humble 2 sen:

Personally, if you switching to commercial role, take the offer. The sooner the better so you can quickly develop expertise in your new career path. Your pay jump also is better than CL jump.

But if you are doing similar engineering job, then I think stay EM. If you consistently outstanding means you are hi-po. Hi-po is protected species. Like scholar in civil service. Solid career path. Go outside is just as risky and got to build network and reputation all over again. For what? Shell or Neste so much more satki meh?

Don't be caught up with all the negativity here. Make a solid choice on what you want out of your career.

Take the offer. So what you have a CL promotion. There’s no certainty u continue to be an outstanding performer. With a higher CL, it’s easy to say we expect more from a higher CL personnel and drop you a rung first. Whereas your alternative offer is obviously gg to be more rewarding financially- so why not? EM is not gg to match up to it. Hope this helps and good luck.

buddy @6Spmj+16zEvLP3

an offer with 20% pay increment + min 3 to 4.5 months bonus package is going to be better than the increment that EM will give. DH and SLS will want to retain you by giving you the talk but they will move out from their role earlier than you. Be smart, think far, 5 years ahead into the future. Remember how many of your comrades were axed during TMTS and past 2 years NSI. You may not be in that category but you cannot guarantee you won't be in that category in the years to come. Some one on top is consistency trying to make big changes that will sc--w the working level up just so that they have things to put into their PDS.

Even if you can handle the mental game, I will still encourage you to get out while you are still young. EM is quite a su---r, so if you ever want to be back, just pull some strings and you will come back in no time.

I need 2nd opinion from SLS and DH here. I'm an outstanding performer consistently so far, below 30 and low CL group. I brought up to my SLS about CL promotion but he said he can't do anything now and asked me to wait good news until next year Jan. What my SLS doesn't know is that I have an offer with 20% pay increment + min 3 to 4.5 months bonus package.
I have job satisfaction in EM and based on my academic result and past contributions in EM, it is not an issue to be outstanding performer. I can't wait until next Jan to accept the offer. Any kind soul wants to give serious advice?

Everyone is only waiting to see increment. If it is cr-p then be prepared for an even bigger wave of attrition. No young person will want to stay anymore.

Looks like the resignations have stopped?

Why join EM directly instead of going to Shopee, Google, Apple? There’s nothing great in this company, except for senior execs pay such as the LCM, CEO.

Haha fortune 10 means prestige meh? AWS job give me I also don’t want, worse than EM in performance assessment and work you like a dog. EM still got very good brand value, if you got test market and apply for jobs you’ll know… but fast eroding lah

Agree with the poster who said join for 5 years and zao but 2 things to note

1. 5 years is abit too long in this company for a new employee in their early 30s or late 20s, dont waste your youth away, 2 - 3 years or else you will lose other better job opportunities
2. Cringe when I saw the word prestige, no longer 2010s where this company still act like a big boi. In my opinion XOM at most is just another MNC , we are out of the fortune 10 and far down the line

@6Rflp+16zEvLP3

EM is not that bad lah… pays salary on time, got okay benefits. It used to be a place that people “marry”… join and stay for life. Now with the change in performance appraisal system and a lot of cuts, it become like a player that can kick you out anytime, no longer marriageable material. So people get upset because they had that expectation of stability and sacrificed other things like higher pay elsewhere. people who want stability now look for another “husband” to marry, so attrition is high.

If you don’t mind to join this player company, pick up the experience and prestige, grab as much experience as you can, then after 5 years zao elsewhere… this company is not bad for that. Just don’t put in too much feeling ok, and be strategic about the experience you gain, and constantly upgrade and look for opportunities. If you become yellow face woman like us, marry already never strategic never hustle never upkeep your attractiveness, one day become bitter like us

@6Rflp+16zEvLP3
If you do join Chem PE, you only need to look 3 levels up.
If you could be a “30-below-40” like him, you CAN certainly make it in EM!

I just got a offer for Process Tech fro EM Chemical plant December batch. What's so bad about EM that everyone is quitting?

At the end of the day, your bosses are just working for a job la. They are at the mercy of their own bosses as well. Whatever employee forum they have, they will only give you politically correct answer. Do you want to hear the truth from them? If they say the truth, people will say they are not tactful. They are just doing their job to save their own rice bowl. At the end of the day, your own life you decide your own destiny lor.

Without Malaysians working here, SG will be much much worse off… we all owe them, and other foreigners working here. I’m speaking this as a Singaporean who has no family in Msia. I love my EMIT KL colleagues, even if we call them jiuhukia it’s no malice. Everyone is working hard to eke a living and many are indeed more capable than us. Take the anger somewhere else

Actually, it’s still your usual jiuhukia- they are here to take your jobs!!!!!

Wah don’t doxx. 15k SGD for expat allowance including rental is it? Last time the budget was 7k for rental. Ok lah… hipo is liddat one. Developmental role for hipo, our hipo go other people country expat also liddat one… this is not your usual jiuhukia

Yep, white old men in Dallas thinking they are still top of the world while
The stock price is getting kicked in the a-s! Big time!

EM has and will always be an organization controlled by white men in Dallas. You think whether it is GC or GSK, the redundancies might have stopped?

Dream on lah. You all think this is some K drama where GSK is the nice old man and GC is the evil lady siboh?

Don't so kumgong and direct your anger at the right place (Texas).

Focus on yourself and not on GC.

GC is going to get paid very well in the form of RSUs and for executing the redundancy well.

Not sure what kind of retribution you were thinking of, but the only one i see is that she’s going to get more $$$ than she knows how to spend.

For those jiao gia who joined EM fresh from institutions or uni. Will Always think outside world is a better place. Those join from esp SMEs will appreciate more. If you cant survive in EM, then likely you will be even worse outside. You will have to work even harder for your dough. 包山包海。no subject matter expert title given (americians likes this kinda of egolistic name) although you are mediocre.This is the fear most ppls who are staying on.

Oh yes I have to say, the NOC boss reminds me of my SME boss before I joined EM. When I joined I was v impressed that EM people are not like that. People are respectful, decent and professional. Despite all our complaints it is not a bad place to work

Ok la just wait for increment, next year then zao for double increment. At least our company not as toxic as the on going NOC saga, yet.

Heard of outstanding rated folks going for interviews and making choices between staying or going for a 20% increment. Chose to stay because expect increments to be at 20% and above. However, if it’s going to be another China sh-t show, we can expect to see more departures. After all, no tears were shed for those who left, only a new job announcement. So test your value hard and don’t just appear for all the pointless zoom calls folks.

Got a lot of people resigned already…. The rest of the young people must be good performers but looking for good jobs. I’m typical of this type… ranked Outstanding and Excellent past 2 years, told my boss don’t give me promotion lah cos no point (my meaning very shallow he sure get it one). He must be wondering why today I’m still in EM. But looking for good jobs lah… go interviews, assess, if not good company and role I don’t take. Anyway I excellent what… can drag min 1 more year before kena PIP. Slowly look my friends, don’t anxious, we are young and world is very big.

Keep reading in this post people resigned, planned to resign. But actual fact still seeing same people around at site, office. All keep talking, fire blank bullet.

Be glad you even have a platform to celebrate. Could have told you to work hard during company working hours. Stop complaining man.

Limit to $20/pax, you can buy whatever you want (except alcoholic beverages).
All invitees will dial into Zoom at the appointed time (all cameras and microphones must be turned on) and then have fun and merry making with the anniversary celebrant - eating your own food and making toasts to each other!
So much fun right?

celebrate virtually lo as per guideline, order foodpanda and grab food. Maybe fellow colleague is the delivery man

How are you guys having your anniversary meals now?

Lol GC is right lah… there’s no way our CL 27-29 can find job outside that pays even 50% of what EM pays them, for the kind of work that they do. These people also know they have it too good, so diam diam act blur live longer, at most come layoff board stir sh-t. This SG thread is the legend of EM layoff board btw… so proud of little red dot

On the other hand, the CL 22-25 can walk out and very easily find something.

CL 26 depends on what they do but many individual contributors at CL 26 in their mid 40s are in the same boat as CL 27-29, though maybe they can still find job at 60% pay